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April 26th, 2008

Breakfast With The Candidates

I am seriously considering the idea of starting a cleaning business so I woke up this morning with a plan to time myself cleaning my entire house single-handedly. Good times…good times. I was still in my pajamas contemplating my course of action when Mat’s friend, Tim McBride, called to see if I was going to be attending this morning’s Markell/Carney debate. Evidently, Carney had managed to drum up quite a few supporters and the Markell supporters were extremely outnumbered. So, rather than begin my time trial, I quickly got ready and scooted off to Wilmington to support my candidate.

I should probably preface this by saying that I am a member of Women for Markell (a fundraising group). As a member of the group, I have had the opportunity to get to know Jack and his wife, Carla, over the past few months and I can’t express how impressed I am with both of them. They are two of the most down-to-earth people I have ever met. Even though I am involved with the Markell campaign, I can also say I like John Carney. While I don’t know him very well, he came to our home last September to address a group of about 30 members of the Young Democrats Movement . He was extremely gracious and polite; a genuinely nice guy. Jack Markell had spoken to the group a few months prior to that and had developed a bit of a fan base. I’m certain Carney knew that many of the YDM members (including Mat) were actively involved with Jack’s campaign when he spoke to them, but he was still willing to come which I think says a lot about his character.

This morning’s debate was hosted by the Interfaith Coalition which consists of religious leaders from various churches and denominations across the city. Audience members were given forms on which they could ask the candidates questions. Most of the questions were about the prison system, health care, education and jobs. Carney evidently spends a lot of time “rolling up his sleeves”, a phrase he used quite often; however, most of the sleeve-rolling seems to have been done on blue-ribbon commissions during fact-finding missions. He spent a lot of time talking about his first-hand knowledge of the issues because of his involvement as chair or co-chair of many of those commissions, but I didn’t hear too much of what had actually been accomplished beyond gathering statistics.

Markell spent a lot of his time speaking about the importance of the community working together to improve society as a whole. It takes a village, if you will. He supports creating educational programs for children as young as three years old so that they are ahead of the curve when they enter kindergarten. He believes that there is no limit to what children with strong mentors at home and in the community can do with their lives. He spoke of two boys that he and his wife have mentored over the past six years and the difference it has made for both the boys and the Markell’s. (Carney spoke of a child he mentored as well and the impact it had on both Carney and the “little guy”). Markell believes that strong education and a strong community are important aspects of reducing crime and improving society as a whole.

In terms of addressing crime and recidivism, Markell spoke of ensuring that inmates were properly rehabilitated – including drug/alcohol counseling and education – so that when they are released, they can begin to rebuild their lives in a productive manner. Carney expressed similar sentiments and added something about prisoners knocking you over the head and stealing your pocketbook (or something to that effect) if they were not properly rehabilitated. That was an interesting visual. Almost as vivid as when he described how he can hear gunshots in the distance when he walks his dog in his neighborhood at 19th and Broom. Hmmm.

At the end of the day, both Markell and Carney are good guys. The state would do well with either of them at the helm. However, Markell definitely has better plans for how to improve our state and a much more innovative vision for our future.

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26 Responses to “Breakfast With The Candidates”

  1. jason330 says:

    Thanks for the report. Great citizen journalism.

  2. GunShotCarney says:

    He really said that he hears gunshots in the distance? Was he running under sniper fire at the time, too?

    So he
    - Isn’t part of the Minner administration, at least when it comes to kids and cuts. Although he is on everything else. Until he’s not.
    - Walks his dogs near gunfire.

  3. Dominique says:

    yyyup. gunshots.

  4. ActiveX says:

    With all due respect, you sound like you are at least trying to be objective, but I think your making light of the point Carney was trying to make about “sleeve rolling” (I was there myself).

    I think the question that most directly casts light on the differences between these two gentleman was the one directed to Markell:

    “What have you done, specifically, to create jobs in the City of Wilmington in the 10 years you have been State Treasurer.”

    This question has two things that Markell tends to loathe in debate questions (I’ve been to several); the words “you” and “specifically.” Markell mentioned both the Delaware Money School and the Earned Income Tax Credit program, which he helps to promote.

    The former really has nothing to do with creating jobs (and is pretty darn useless if you don’t have a job in the first place) and the latter is a federal program that the State has nothing to do with — Markell simply points his press release machine at this federal tax program and produces something that he can talk about from time to time. Don’t get me wrong, I don’t think he’s a bad guy, I just think he did a really bad job answering this question. But the truth is he hasn’t really done anything to create jobs in the City of Wilmington.

    Carney pointed to two specific examples where personally has been involved in projects that created jobs for City residents. The State’s acquisition of the Port of Wilmington and the development of the Wilmington Riverfront; both of which he was directly involved in while working as Deputy Chief of Staff and then Secretary of Finance for then Governor Carper. Both of which provide large numbers of jobs for City residents.

    The Port acquisition in particular is something that continues to pay dividends for both the City and the State to this day. This was a hugely complex initiative that involved the transfer of a major capital asset from one government to another; it required intelligence and hard work to get it done. This was one of the projects that Carney ran point on for the Carper administration. It was his baby.

    I think this is what was meant by “sleeve rolling.” I also think it points to the very real differences between these two people.

  5. Mike Matthews says:

    OK, ActiveX wins the award for most creative email address of the day.

  6. Dominique says:

    I didn’t think that was a very fair question. Is job creation part of the role of State Treasurer? It seems like Carney’s role as Lt. Gov. would put him at an advantage in terms of job creation.

    While I’m not as familiar with his role in the Earned Income Tax Credit program, I can tell you he does more than simply “promote” the Delaware Money School; he created it. The program may not create jobs, but it has had an incredibly positive impact on its participants over the years. Financial literacy is a monumentally important and often overlooked aspect of being successful and comfortable in life and Markell’s creation of and commitment to the program is right in line with his ideas for improving the state as a whole; he’s more inclined to develop ideas and programs that will have permanent, long-term positive results for the state rather than quick-fix band-aids. That’s not to say that Carney is offering the latter, it’s just that Markell seems to have more specific, far-reaching plans and ideas.

    You have to admit, he used the sleeve-rolling line a lot. That said, I thought he did well. He certainly sounded more passionate and engaged than he did when he spoke to our group in September.

  7. Dominique says:

    Sorry, just noticed that your comments indicated Carney had helped create those jobs while he was working for Carper, not in his role as Lt. Gov. My point remains the same, tho, as those role would have lent itself a little more easily to job creation than the role of State Treasurer.

  8. Von Copeland Express says:

    Operation Chaos - The Delaware Way

    You get all those Republicans to switch to the Democratic Party under the guise of “this is the only way you will have a vote in the race for governor but your party won’t have an actual candidate.”

    Then you get Bill Lee and Von Copeland to run as the Republican Dream team. Then a mailing goes out to all Republicans who switched (printed of course at Von Copeland’s printing plant) instructing them to vote for the weaker of the two Democrats.

    Then it is Carney vs. Lee and Lee runs away with it in the November election.

    Rush would be proud of the Delaware GOP! Am I crazy or does sound like a plan?

  9. ActiveX says:

    “…just noticed that your comments indicated Carney had helped create those jobs while he was working for Carper, not in his role as Lt. Gov. My point remains the same, tho, as those role would have lent itself a little more easily to job creation than the role of State Treasurer.”

    Dominique: You make a fair point, but Mr. Markell is fond of making the statement that his past experience as a businessman is one of the things that makes him qualified. If I remember correctly, he used this line at the debate on Saturday (and at a couple of the prior debates):

    “There is no better experience for creating jobs than having done it in the past.”

    If we’re to take him at his word, then clearly there is a strong argument to be made that Mr. Carney’s expense in the Carper administration demonstrates his past experiencing in helping to create jobs.

    I don’t think anyone would argue against the important role that the Port of Wilmington or the Riverfront play in the economic fortunes of city or state residents. If its fair for Mr. Markell to use his past experience as rationale for why he believes he is the better candidate, it is certainly fair for Mr. Carney to do so as well.

    If the Carney camp was a bit sharper, they might also point out that the difference between Mr. Markell’s job creation experience and Mr. Carney’s is that the latter resulted in new jobs right here in Delaware, and the former somewhere else.

    Perhaps we’ll hear that in some of the upcoming debates.

  10. required says:

    good idea to consider opening a cleaning business. i invested in one years ago and targeted a particular market and it has been successful. plus you can make it a heavily cash business.

  11. Nancy Willing says:

    Control of the Port of Wilmington going from the city to the state was seen by some as a bad move for the city. What are you trying to say about that move that all-of-a-sudden improved things when the state took over?

  12. Jed Bartlet says:

    One of the things that became prevalent to me during the debate, is that John only leads fact finding missions, but when it comes to LEADING the creation of something or some kind of reform, he has only been part of it.

    Jack has been in the lead role when it comes to Health Rewards, Delaware Money School, and the local promotion of the EITC.

    By the way, economists say that the EITC (and its implementation) has been more effective in creating a secure income than the minimum wage and other government sponsored programs.

    Also, the impression that i got from john at the debate was that he thought we were doing enough to address health care through these private organizations. As a Jack supporter, I urge anyone who thinks that we are on the right track now to vote for John.

  13. GunShotCarney says:

    ActiveX is a great writer. But the riverfront is a perfect example of the difference in this race. John Carney did a great job carrying out Tom Carper’s vision for the Riverfront. But it was Tom Carper’s vision, not Carney’s.

  14. Liz allen says:

    Oh lets talk about the “carper vision” of the polluted, environmental wasteyard that has become the Riverfront. (Some of us refer to it as the Sewerfront). All that money that went to build that White Elephant could have and should have gone to cleaning up the City of Wilmington, providing jobs to its residents. Some of that money could have been invested in more recreational facilities for young people (skateboard parks etc). The Big Delaware Developers got millions, paved over the Super Waste Site without cleanup first.

    The attempted creation of “two cities” (old city vs new city), was an attempt to dislocate, gentrify and steal land to build “somebodys” vision of a new City. The Old City needed work, its citizens deprived for decades of transportation, jobs. And lets talk about the Cherry Island Landfill, and other environmental horrors that Wilmington residents live with every day.

    It was stated by national experts that corporations in cities, (whose work force fled to the suburbs) needed to come back close to work. Why? Because they knew the oil was running out, and gas would be out of sight. So, the “Delaware Corporates” began to buy up houses, let crime run wild, (so the old would move out and speculators could buy cheap), to build new homes that would be inviting enough for “white folk” to purchase. Some companies even gave incentives to their workers to buy those houses. Never mind there is no supermarket, never mind there were no environmental cleanup before the rebuilding.

    Wilmington can do better, but it needs someone with real vision…that envision a city who citizens have jobs, are educated close to home so they can take advantage of after school programs, build recreational facilities so children/young adults can recreate safely, and oh so much more.

    But no, all we get is more promises, more lame ass excuses, and more Commissinons led the upper middle class who have no clue what poor and impoverished need or want. I think it a disgrace. And for either of these two men Carney/Markell to overlook SB 177, which would give everyone health care….provide more jobs, keep companies in Delaware, to continue that sicko for profit health care system, knowing all the “cancer clusters” all over this chemically induced State, is a nightmare.

    Which one of these men running for Governor is going to do something about the corporate pollution killing us all. Copeland (alias) Dupont the company that has been poisoning us for over 200 years…the corporate list of “environmental terrorists” is a long as your arm. Delaware has known for decades where all the SUPER Fund sites were and did nothing. Not Carper, Biden or Castle brought money for a Delaware environmental disaster area.

  15. ActiveX says:

    Nancy:

    The transfer of the Port of Wilmington from the City to the State was necessary to ensure its future viability. I think the move is universally seen as a huge success that has resulted in improved management of the Port and a large expansion of jobs and business there as well. I’m not sure who you are referring to when you say that it was “seen by some as a bad move for the city.”

    The transfer could not have occured had the City not fully supported it; if you’ve got a more specific criticism, or if you know someone who has spoken up and said that the transfer was a failure then it would be interesting to hear it.

    Jed Bartlet:

    You make good points about the value of the Earned Income Tax Credit, but I think you missed the point I was trying to make. The question posed to Mr. Markell was regarding what he specifically had done to promote job creation in Wilmington. The EITC is a federal program that uses no state dollars; I don’t know of a single politician of any political stripe that doesn’t support it so I’m not really sure how much political courage it requires to promote it. And to be fair, Mr. Markell is not the only person who has worked hard to promote it. He happens to be the only one who has made a campaign issue out of promoting it.

    As to Mr. Carney’s service on task forces and commissions, I would encourage you review Mr. Markell’s own participation in such groups. The Health Rewards program you mention was created by Governor Minner and it was one of a number task forces/committees/groups that Mr. Markell served on at her request.

    GunShotCarney:

    That is a fair point, but lets be honest. If the Riverfront development project had gone the other way, and resulted in very little at the cost of millions of dollars in state money, while Mr. Carney was a chief captain in the Carper Administration, Jack Markell would be the the first one to point it out.

    Please explain to me what the Lt. Governor’s office has to do with the management of the State’s prison system, or managing Psychiatric Centers. Please be specific — the Delaware Code is here for your reference. Starting to make sense?

    I’m not suggesting that Mr. Markell’s criticism of Prison Health Care or the DPC are out of line. I’m just saying, if someone can be criticized for being a part of an Administration that has made some pretty big mistakes, its fair for them to take credit for their role in pulling of victories in other Administrations in which they have served.

    So if we’re going to criticize Mr. Carney for what is wrong with the Minner Administration, its perfectly fair for him to point out the very effective role he played in creating good paying jobs in Wilmington as part of the Carper Administration.

  16. The Ghost of WRRC says:

    Glad you brought up the port and the riverfront…city residents already had the ‘blue collar’ jobs at the port before Carney or Carper were born.

    For those who follow government screw jobs be aware that Pam Scott was so-called “negotiating” for the city in this so-called ’sale’. The state got one of Wilmington’s major assets (again).

    On the riverfront…been there lately? The jobs for city residents are few and far between. Keep it mind the riverfront was/is being developed in spite of the fact it is in the city. The locals were not included on any level…unless you want to consider the men who worked, with out benefit of safety equipment/gear, in the so-called enviro cleanup.

    The city fathers/mothers help sell the city out on the port and the riverfront. They moved the public works yard, with the city’s $250,000. trash trucks, to the very spot those hundreds and hundreds of VW’s got swampped and were deemed salvage several years ago.This was for the purpose to sell developers the old yard property at bargin basement prices.

    It became clear, early on, when they named the ballpark after a drunken, drugging, womanizing ex-mayor (white) instead of in honor of William ‘Judy’ Johnson a hero in the Negro Baseball League that this entire adventure was for ‘whites only’ (how many people of color decked themselves out in L.L. Bean clothing???).

    I suppose there’s not point in going on and on but it is also significant that Purzycki fought tooth and nail against naming the ‘riverfront park’ (given by the city in a ‘property exchange’) in honor of Harriet Tubman and Thomas Garret…heros of the underground railroad).

    The riverfront development, dispite the positive spin and the millions upon millions of the taxpayers (state wide..another reason not to vote of Torturin’ Tom) money has been wasted on this project (An aside: Mike Purzycki, so-called Exec Dir, who was in over his head from jump start (no real development experience) is now making in excess of $250,000. a year!!!!! (multiply that by the number of years he’s been there).

    Like Bill Weir from Renaissance Corp (the folks who burned millions while effin’ up lower Market Street) Purzycki should be dragged from the public trough and fired for incompendence.

    Members of Wilmington River City Committe (funded by city council due to the support from former councilmember Sam Guy) worked hard on the enviro problems, re-naming of the park, defining property set backs…’cause developers have no idea when to stop…and other important issues.

    WRRC was concerned the city would be delivered another crushing blow (like when I-95 was run thru the heart of the city) by having an enormous White Elephant on the banks of the Christina.

    WRRC had solid community support and things were going fairly well until Ted Blunt became Council president and changed the way the counilmember spent their ’street funds’ money and WRRC was totally excluded from the budget. ( Another reason not to vote for Terrible Teddy Blunt.)

    Well this has taken more space than was intended and although it could go on and on this is The End…more on another day ’cause you know there is more–lots more.

    P.S. Riverfront development was not Torturin’ Tom’s “vision” (surely, by now, it is well known he is anything but a visionary). It was the brainchild of former Gov. Russell Peterson.

    P.P.S. Vote for Markell….get that (Torturin’ Tom) Carper Crew out of top tier government if you are expecting anything but the same old, same old (i.e. did Minner get rid of Purzycki????).

  17. snark says:

    both are blandly pleasant men, one’s a buerecrat the other a bean counter. Neither has shown an ounce of leadership in the last eight years.

    ofcourse, this state elected and re-elected Ruth Ann… So either could be our next governor Bill Lee or no Bill Lee.

    Of the two, Carney is better on the campaign trail. He’s taller, better looking and he handles himself better when challenged/ask direct questions.

  18. ActiveX says:

    The Ghost of WRRC appears to have (among other things) some emotional problems. I’ll leave him/her to their meds.

    I’ve got post draft PR to do. See you in Charm City.

  19. snark says:

    Ghost, who’s statue is in front of the ballpark?

    Why is it, that the city council feels compelled to name what they didn’t build… and then always give it two names?

  20. Nancy Willing says:

    ActiveX, the Ghost of WRRC is one of the people I was talking about so it is great to have you answer so completely vetted by a master of Wilmington politics.
    Thanks Ghost, great essay.

  21. The Ghost of WRRC says:

    Active X….what’s wrong? the truth hurt? no one on this post except you have done any personal attacking.

    You, obviously, do not have an inkling into the recent history of local political corruption.

    In addition, you are in no way qualified to judge my mental health.

    So lay the eff off!

  22. Mike Matthews says:

    Didn’t you hear, Ghost? ActiveX was just drafted by the Baltimore Ravens!

  23. The Ghost of WRRC says:

    No, I didn’t but good riddance to bad rubbish!It’s like Terrible Teddy leaving the city council (what a relief to get rid of him) and Markell bumping Carney…no big loss there either.

  24. Jed Bartlet says:

    activex:
    i didn’t mention the EITC because of markell’s support for it (i agree, everyone is for it), but rather because of what he has done with it. by the promotion of the EITC, i was referring not just to support, but also the work he did to implement it; this includes the program that helped implement the EITC for families that didn’t know about it. That volunteer force he created saved the taxpayers millions of dollars in refunds.

    When it comes to health rewards, it wasn’t either minner’s idea or creation. Minner’s chief of staff floated the idea, but Markell lead the implementation of it. Minner shared in the award simply because it was implemented under her time as governor, and as chief executive of the state, she was entitled to receive the award with Jack.

    My point about the commissions is that Carney has lead commissions that have explored “problems” and maybe even suggested solutions, but Carney has never implemented them. John’s service on those commissions is noble and relevant to this race and john’s qualifications. But you mentioned yourself, that Jack served on those commissions, too. So since both share those commissions on their resume, it almost becomes a moot point…except for the fact that I have heard from people about john’s service on those commissions. I have heard, and correct me if i’m wrong, that he often doesn’t add much to the substance of the discussions and has trouble making decisions when they are required.

  25. Al Mascitti says:

    “Carney pointed to two specific examples where personally has been involved in projects that created jobs for City residents. The State’s acquisition of the Port of Wilmington and the development of the Wilmington Riverfront”

    The state didn’t have to acquire the port in order to pump money into it; it’s quite a stretch to claim that an ownership shift equates to job creation. Economic issues beyond the state’s control have a lot to do with how much work there is on the waterfront. But I can understand how important it is for Carney supporters to remind union members why they’re being gang-pressed into service for him on primary day.

    The Riverfront, on the other hand, is a stunningly poor example of job creation. The state, county and city have pumped $200 million into the riverfront; the return has been several hundred service-sector jobs, unless you count the construction jobs, which of course are short-term. I’m not against the project — unlike the above poster, I’m under no illusions that skateboard parks would be a better investment — but to use that as evidence of job-creation ability is pathetic. For $200 million, you, I or the man in the moon could create more and better jobs with that kind of investment.

    And while we’re on misreprentation, how about this whopper: Markell’s work with poor Delawareans, helping them get back federal tax money. According to X, he merely “helps to promote” that these funds are available and “Markell simply points his press release machine at this federal tax program and produces something that he can talk about from time to time.”

    In the real world, hundreds of people got help filling out the paperwork to get that money — it wasn’t just talk. And, unlike the “actions” by Carney that you tout, it actually brought money into Delaware rather than expended Delaware taxpayer funds.

  26. Liz allen says:

    Oh for sure Carney has chaired committees. The Health Care Committee is one that burns my ass. There were three independent studies done while he was chair, eachof three consultants were unknown to the other. When they delivered their reports, EVERYONE supported SB 177, single payer universal health care. So what does Carney Cornball do….he deep sixed the reports. The Delaware Health Care Coalition, (citizens group), at our own expense had to copy the reports to be delivered to every legislator…think they read them probably not. Then CArney goes on air WILM, to talk about health care. Several of us called in to remind him of his flagrant attempts to keep those studies silent. He actually lied on the air stating that he “in fact had met with Dr. Floyd McDowell several times”.. a freakin LIE! Floyd called him again and again, sent correspondence to meet, never answered. In stead of putting Dr McDowell on the Health CAre Commission, he loaded it up with Del. State Chamber of Commerce member and other flunkies who had never read an article on health care. He has screwed the public again and again….let him retire somewhere and think about “all the things he could have done for Delaware”.

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