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May 1st, 2008

PWND

Hillary Clinton went head to head with the Democrats’ arch-nemesis Bill O’Reilly last night and had her way with him (watch it here and here). She was comfortable, confident, and well-informed. She was fiercely strong, but good-natured and charming. There wasn’t an ounce of hesitation on any issue. She proved, once again, that she is the most stalwart, fearless candidate in the field. Unlike the stammering, hesitation, uuuhhhh-ing and uuuummm-ing we’ve come to expect from Obama, her answers were crisp and clear. I defy even the most ardent Obama supporters to find reasons to criticize her performance. In fact, after the initial interview (part two will air tonight), Bill interviewed two Obama supporters who begrudgingly admitted that it was a “remarkable” performance. One of them even had to drag out the tired old “she voted for the war” line in an attempt to divert attention away from her superior ability to confront the issues head on. It really surprises me, btw, that they still cling to “he’s got better judgment” as being the core reason for supporting him in light of all of the examples of his poor judgment that have come to the forefront of late. But I digress…

By every measure, Hillary Clinton is behind in the race with virtually no chance to win the nomination. Yet, after months of harsh criticism from both the media and her own party, personal betrayals and key defections, she marches on. With the odds stacked against her, she remains completely energized and full of vigor. At 60 years of age, she is proving that she has super-human strength and determination; qualities that anyone would want in a president. She is an inspiration. Obama, on the other hand, after just a few weeks of tepid criticism from the media with which he had enjoyed a months-long love-in, looks completely beaten down and exhausted. He’s 46 years old and in peak physical condition, but he looks like he could use a three-day nap. Yeah, he’s ready for the rigorous job of leader of the free world.

Barring some Red Bull miracle that causes voters in the remaining primary states to wake up from their Sominex haze, Obama will win the nomination. Thinking about it leaves me at the intersection of Queasy and Enraged, desperately seeking directions back to my home on Sanity Lane, but every day I grow a little closer to accepting it. Everything happens for a reason and maybe some greater good will come of turning yet another election into an American Idol-style, media-driven popularity contest with more emphasis on appearance and fluff than on substance. Maybe electing a black president will allow our country to finally turn the corner and begin to improve race relations. Then, and only then, will it have been worth choosing nice over strong, pretty over competent, meek over determined and aloof over focused.

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  1. Disbelief says:

    I do not doubt Hillary’s agressiveness and ambition. And based on her drive to ‘win’ no matter what the cost, I see someone running for office for themselves, not as a public servant to their constituency. The race for President is a private war personal to Hillary. The wants and needs of Americans are simply tools to play with in order to win her war. She’s doing it for her, not us. This is what makes her candidacy, and subsequent office, unattractive to me.

  2. anon says:

    I am holding out for the final bell to ring. Until then, I will continue to believe that people in the remaining primary states will take off their rose colored glasses and put Hillary at the top of the ticket.

  3. NosyNeighbor says:

    Excellent post! Really sums it up well for me. I hope Obama does not end up getting the nod or I will vote for McCain.

    Dis — They are all doing it for themselves. Every single one of them. (Even Obama!) Maybe a little less at the local levels but even the local elections are just stepping stones for some. The voters are pandered to and used to get their votes and then the special interest groups take over. It happens over and over again on both sides of the aisle. Sad, but unfortunately true.

  4. Disbelief says:

    Nosy, I agree in part. However, there are some (the good ones), who may have their eyes on their personal horizon of goals yet still remember the purpose for which they were elected. As an example, Matt Denn. I have no doubt he is an ambitious political operative. But during his term as Insurance Commissioner he remained aware that his primary purpose was to regulate insurance companies and protect the citizenry of Delaware. I don’t see this admirable awareness in Hillary. With her, its “win every situation for myself”. It simply doesn’t bother her that the economy, or the war, or Constitutional violations cause concern to many of us. To her, these concerns are simply trampolines she uses to her own and sole advantage. She is distilled ambition. Nothing else matters.

  5. Dominique says:

    You’re confusing assertiveness with agression and you’re kidding yourself if you think she’s any more ambitious than a junior senator who thinks he’s qualified to be president and I can’t imagine you’re naive enough to think any of them are running for altruistic reasons. They’re all in it for themselves first, the country second.

    The rest of your comment is yet another example of someone assuming to know what’s inside another person’s heart and mind. I guess I’m just not clairvoyant like so many others because I have no way of knowing what motivates any of them to do the things they do.

  6. Disbelief says:

    Dom, you’re obviously clairvoyant enough to tell me what I’m confusing in my heart and mind. I find your cynicism a bit disconcerting. There are good people out there. There are good politicians out there. The purpose of our Delaware blogs is to find these good politicians and support them. But are they perfect? As perfect as you and I. And I am perceptive enough, though perhaps not clairvoyant, to see ‘good’ motivation in some politician, i.e., the one already mentionied as well as Markell? I give it a try. The blanket condemnation of all things political follows the Liz Allen dead-end of “the sky is falling and there’s nothing we can do about it.” Pretty defeatist. There are loads of people who will say in every situation, “we can’t get there from here.” I like to think we can. Although we don’t always get there, we can at least try.

  7. Dominique says:

    Dis - I admire your optimism, but I’ll stick with my cynicism (realism) - especially when it comes to a candidate we know very little about.

    Maybe I just set the bar a little higher than some, but I’m just not keen on taking the word of a politician when he has no real record to back up his claims of having good judgment and the ability to “change” the way things are done.

  8. Call It says:

    Even though I never post on these blogs, I do follow them daily and enjoy the discourse that goes on here. That being said, I just feel compelled to comment on the HRC/Obama discussion here.

    Maybe it is my naivety to the big picture, but it just seems that people have such a flawed view on these candidates, i.e. HRC is out for numero uno, so I am not voting for her, and Obama has no experience, so I am not voting for him. I mean, I know I sound completely naive when I say this, but damnit, vote for who you think will represent your views most. It doesn’t have to be these two either. It could be Biden, Markell, Mickey Mouse, who the fuck cares? It’s your opinion. That’s the beauty of it all.

    And the thing that I don’t get about you guys, is you know this! You all pick apart these candidates each and every day, which is a good thing I think, but in the end, are you gonna say “fuck it” and vote for one of ‘em? Or are you gonna make your vote count for you, whether it is indeed one of the big three or some other person?

    My personal opinion, is that Dis and Dom are both right. HRC is waaaay too power hungry to represent my views. The pandering drives me up the fucking wall. On the other hand, Obama is indeed inexperienced. The bullshit about I know what decisions to make confuses the hell out of me, because he hasn’t made too many of ‘em. So who will I vote for?
    I’m still thinking.

    All I ask is think hard, then decide.

  9. Al Mascitti says:

    Dominique: “They’re all in it for themselves first, the country second.

    The rest of your comment is yet another example of someone assuming to know what’s inside another person’s heart and mind.”

    Normally someone would have to do a little digging to find such a stark example of double-speak (hypocrisy). You did in consecutive sentences.

  10. Paul says:

    When the voter considers and remembers the old political promises, and compares the current list of promises, contradictions and half truths, …

    With the uncertainty of future events, It should be no wonder that the American Voter, tries to discern what is in the candidates Heart, as the truer indication of future behavior. Historically, we know that the promises are short lived, and convenient excuses explains their dismissal.
    Unfortunately, Knowing what is in their Hearts and what is in their Minds ( and their bank accounts. ), might expose the ultimate personal contradiction.

  11. Dominique says:

    Al - You’re absolutely right. But so am I.

    How’s that for consecutive contradictions?

    Paul - I agree with you except for the part about the bank accounts. I don’t judge them for having made a ton money as adults. Isn’t that the American dream? I’d probably put more stock in whether or not they grew up rich, in which case they could probably never really identify with “ordinary folks” (as Obama likes to say).

  12. Dominique says:

    Call It - Welcome! I loved your post. I actually agree with everything you said. I think all three of them represent some portion of my views. At the end of the day, I will go with the one I believe may be able to help improve our country a little bit over the next 4-8 years (or at least not do any further damage).

    I hope you decide to post again. :)

  13. Paul says:

    As I see it,
    You can do it because you love it, or you believe in it, = Your heart.

    You can do it because of the logic and the sense, The Altruism, for the country. Your mind and what makes sense.

    And there are those who sell out. These are the ones I encounter, where I can neither determine what their motivation is, when I look at their heart or their logic. Those are the ones that I have difficulty dealing with.

    Now, If I controlled the MONEY and therefore the influence, the graft and greed, perhaps I would have those answers. But those strings attached to politicians, remain hidden.

    When I read the blog accusing Obama of pandering to the Military Industrial complex, That makes my point of the decision making that becomes corrupt because of outside influences.

    I ran for office 4 times. My only fear was that I would lose my morality to do what would be better for everyone, versus selling out my community to some investor, for a bribe.

    So, how does one make a ton of money? Does anyone get hurt? Is anyone cheated? Deceived? In the Mortgage business - who do we blame for todays crisis? Or do we congratulate the person who made a ton of money? Hummmmm?

    Paul

  14. Shirley says:

    Well done, Dominque. Quite well-stated.

    A little story: I lived in Philly for over twenty years and still work there. I have a few friends who I talk the buzz with. I would say that the entire organization of over 300+ people is registered Democrat. Except for me. Shhhh!

    A co-worked is a 30-something African-American male with a young family. Over the past six months we have shared our observations with each other.

    In the beginning, he was very much in the ABC (Anybody But Clinton) club. Over the past few months, he has almost “confessed” to me that he is taking Clinton more seriously. He doesn’t have the hate mantra that he used to. He is still wary, but open.

    We have talked about the so-called “identity politics” and didn’t understand why someone would vote for or against someone based simply on race or gender. We have talked about Rev. Wright, bowling, shot-and-a-beer, 3 AM phone calls, and yes, even NAFTA. It is quite interesting.

    My co-worker voted for Obama. We don’t debate, we merely share impressions and ideas and I respect his choice. I don’t think he made it lightly, and he is not of the camp that is swooning over Obama as the Last Great Hope of America. He’s too smart for that.

    My co-worker has even asked me about McCain. He doesn’t know yet who he will vote for in the general election. Like many of us, he sees the pros and cons of all of the candidates. I do not see how there is any real clear choice for anyone.

    In the end, we seem to agree that it doesn’t matter much. Politics is local, and the real power is in the Congress. Who is or isn’t President probably doesn’t amount to a hill of beans.

  15. Nancy Willing says:

    Who is or isn’t President probably doesn’t amount to a hill of beans.

    *
    How about a pile of signing statements, Shirl?

  16. J. Lyman says:

    and the real power is in the Congress.

    Constitutionally, yes, but the influence carried by POTUS is substantial enough (outside of lame duck presidencies), and the attention paid to individual congresspersons so sparse, that the de facto power resides in the Oval Office.

  17. Paul says:

    Like Signing Statement 2001-06
    ” … Senate Joint Resolution 23 recognizes the seriousness of the terrorist threat to our Nation and the authority of the President under the Constitution to take action to deter and prevent acts of terrorism against the United States. In signing this resolution, I maintain the longstanding position of the executive branch regarding the President’s constitutional authority to use force, including the Armed Forces of the United States and regarding the constitutionality of the War Powers Resolution.”

    It does make a difference who IS the president…

    With apologies to Bill Clinton if I misused what “IS” means.

    Acting with the “power of the Presidency”, can really get this nation into quagmires, both on the Left and the Right. What happened to Congress declaring WAR?

  18. jen says:

    Paul is making a very good point. It does make a difference. How did we get in such a lowly state? After the Vietnam War, it is hard for some of us to believe that we are in this horrible predicament again. Here we are in the midst of a hideous, deadly, and potentially world-disrupting war, with an economy that has taken a nose-dive, with gas prices and food prices climbing (how are poor people surviving?), stuck in the middle of a never-ending political campaign, still being led (and I use that term loosely) by an ignorant, arrogant, easily manipulated boob who has dragged this country into a pit of despair. I will vote for whovever can get us out of this mess. And it would never be another Republican–not that I ever voted for an R. Hillary is so impressive. You go, girl. Obama is intriguing. I love his charisma. McCain used to be slightly interesting, but now he is just plain scary. And it is only May 2nd, friends.

  19. Nancy Willing says:

    Donna Marshell, please discuss your McCain support here.

  20. Dominique says:

    My support is tepid at best. In fact, it’s not support as much as it is settling…once again. I am of the belief that politicians - all of them - say what they have to say and do what they have to do to get in the good graces of their respective party in the run-up to and during an election cycle. That said, I don’t take much of what any of them say during that timeframe at face value.

    For me, it comes down to which candidate seems like he/she has the best grasp of the issues and the fortitude for the job. Hillary seems like the obvious choice (again, for me). Of the remaining two, McCain’s history prior to the election cycle, doesn’t seem all that crazy to me. Not exactly a ringing endorsement, but I just don’t feel comfortable with someone with Obama’s lack of substance and experience.

    Every election cycle we end up with at least one candidate who claims that one of their strongest qualities is the fact that they’re not a “Washington insider”. I don’t see that as a good thing. Washington is a very close-knit community. Maybe someone with years of experience maneuvering around congress is has an advantage over an outsider. Look at how much trouble Hillary had with her initial attempt at universal health care. Don’t even get me started on GWB.

    I will take McCain’s Washington experience over Obama’s inspirational ideas any day of the week.

  21. Pandora says:

    That’s just so sad. To me, the president sets the tone, and given McCain’s gaffes over the last several months I don’t understand your tepid support. You’ve admitted that Hillary and Obama are virtually the same when it comes to the issues, in fact, you’ve called the Dem. Primary a beauty contest. If you meant what you’ve said - and frankly, Dominique, I think you’re just stirring the pot - then how could you even consider McCain? The endless war “for oil”, no healthcare plan, no plan for the economy, appointing Supreme Court justices (A real biggie), etc.

    Saying you’ll consider McCain smacks of sour grapes, and is, IMO, beneath everything you’ve posted so far. Are you really a Hillary supporter? I’m beginning to have my doubts. Granted, I like Obama, but if he doesn’t get the nomination I’ll vote for HRC. In fact the only conceivable reason I could cite for voting for McCain is to stick it to Hillary or Obama; to prove that I was right, and all you Hillary/Obama supporters were wrong.

    Is that the game we’re playing? Maybe satisfying in the short term, but disasterous - especially for mothers of teen-age boys, like us - in the long term.

    It’s time to lower the rhetoric, and vote Dem in the fall… No matter what, or who.

  22. Dominique says:

    I’m not just stirring the pot, I’m very serious. It’s not just about policies for me. It’s about strength and political wherewithal.

    I’m not going to lie, though, there’s a part of me that will not vote for Barack because of his intensely vicious supporters and the smarmy way he’s run his campaign. The left wing of the Democratic party - the alleged peace-loving tree-huggers - have morphed into an angry mob of bullies. I will not be bullied into supporting what I feel is a weak candidate. Period. I simply don’t identify with the party like I used to and will not vote for a candidate simply because he has a (D) behind his name.

    As far as the SC nominations and the draft are concerned, I find it ironic that the party that is so offended by fear tactics has no trouble carting these two out every chance they get.

  23. jen says:

    I would hope that Mat would tie you up and lock you away in a closet on election day rather than permit you to actually go out there and vote for McCain. Seriously. Please. This is not even funny. Maybe it’s just you and me, and the other old guard, being displaced by the young and incurably optimistic. Hillary would be great and she certainly deserves a shot at the presidency, but I will never vote for a Republican. Never. Obama looks like a prince compared to John McCain, who looks more and more like a Cheney wannabe every week. Four more years of this Republican domination would be unbearable.

  24. Dominique says:

    Oh, dear god. GWB is an idiot and the 90’s gave us quite a number of obnoxious republicans, but they’re not all evil. In fact, I don’t remember John McCain being front and center during those hideous impeachment days.

    C’mon, people. There are good republicans and bad democrats. Need I remind you that Obama is supposed to be representing the UNITY party? He’s constantly crowing about how “we” are going to fix Washington, yet his most ardent supporters seem to be the ones who feel the most disdain for the other side. Just review the comments about republicans (not to mention Hillary) that Obama supporters make on this site alon. Get with the program - unity means finding common ground with those with whom you don’t agree. Practice what you preach.

  25. Paul says:

    I always get a kick out of people vilifying National Republicans…..
    And ignoring that the mess in Delaware is mainly attributable to the Democrat majority.

    What desk drawer do most bills sit in?

    Has the Governor been that exemplary? Del State Hospital, Schools and prisons? I-95? The Budget?

    What party is pushing Open Government? Wind-Power?

    What Party in Wilmington is abusing Eminent Domain? What party is working to change State laws to close Eminent Domain?

  26. Call It says:

    “In fact, it’s not support as much as it is settling…once again.”

    “In fact the only conceivable reason I could cite for voting for McCain is to stick it to Hillary or Obama.”

    “It’s time to lower the rhetoric, and vote Dem in the fall… No matter what, or who.”

    “Hillary would be great and she certainly deserves a shot at the presidency, but I will never vote for a Republican. Never.”

    O.K., its 2 AM (2 AM. Really?). I just got off working my 15th bartending shift this week for restaurant week (15 shifts in a week?). Now I have a headache.

    In all seriousness, the above quotes practically rest my case for my above post. It saddens me, really it does, that we are in the game of picking the lesser of evils. Seriously, everyone needs to grow some balls and preach what they preach (Preach what they preach?) What I mean is, you bloggers, (Dom, Mat, Matt, Jason, Delawares Hottest Blogger, LG,… YEAH I’M CALLING YOU ALL OUT!), you need to steer us all towards the light. Every blog is informative and I love it all, but fuck, you guys seem to hate every one of these candidates. Well, hate is a harsh word, so let’s use instead… ummm… my macbook thesaurus says “unable to bear,” and I like it!. You guys seem to be unable to bear the three major candidates’ qualities. When talking down all of these candidates, how in the fuck could you possibly vote for one of them? Vote for yourself, vote for Aladdin, vote for anybody but them, because picking a name out of a hat means just the same as voting for someone because they are the less evil choice.

    So if that is indeed the case, what qualities should we uneducated, gas tax holiday wanting, natty light drinking, mullet tops be looking for in a candidate? What qualities do you look for in a presidential candidate? Would you vote for your parents? No? Why not?

    EDUCATE US!

    If we go to the polls uneducated about who we are about to vote for, well, the country is about to get a whole lot worse. There are more that 3 folks that are qualified to be president. You shouldn’t vote for someone just because they have the ability win. That is called hopping on the bandwagon, and we leave that to the folks up in Boston.

    Fuck, I’m tired but I can’t stop typing. This is like crack.

  27. Dominique says:

    Ahhh, Call It, you are a breath of fresh air.

    You’re absolutely right. I will vote for Hillary because I think she’d be a great president. Smart, strong, resolute, ridiculously intimate with the details of every issue. Is she the perfect person? No. Is she the perfect candidate? Yes. At least as far as I’m concerned.

  28. Dominique says:

    PS - Get some sleep. Seriously, like 15 hours.

  29. jen says:

    None of them are perfect. All of them have potential. All of them have flaws. Good question, Call It. What do we value in a presidential candidate?

    We can each make a list and there will probably be a lot of repeated attributes, but the difficulty remains that what the voter has to do is come up with a judgement of a candidate’s capacity and potential for service in office. It is a prediction and it ain’t scientific. And if we get it wrong, we are screwed.

    I loved Bill Clinton–there was so much right about him and he had so much going for him (and us) but he was a huge disappointment. I hated George Bush, the elder. Nice guy, maybe, but a lousy LEADER. Then, we get the worst–hard to believe that there could actually be someone worse than Dick Nixon. But Dubya is the epitomy of guile, evil, stupidity–every presidential attribute one would not desire, and he has absolutely led us down a path of RUIN. What else could go wrong? War, poverty, chaos, the economy in shambles–I am expecting pestilence, plague, and locusts any day now.

    I am a liberal Dem when it comes to national politics and politics in general. This does not mean that my votes do not cross party lines in state and local politics. But McCain has gotten to be too far out there for me to even consider him any more.

  30. Nancy Willing says:

    The problem before the electorate is that the GOPer machine has been taken over by an almost unstoppable team who have in their black hearts only greed. It is laughable that anyone who wants to change course in this country would buy into a McCain candidacy. He has morphed into whatever will bring this team back into power.
    Such an embarrassment is that Mat’s mother could be one of the biggest fools coming down the pike in this regard.
    What I see from Mrs. Marshall’s throwing the in the towel since her candidate won’t prevail is terrible and frightening and unadulterated idiocy and should be shunned. oh well.

  31. Paul says:

    …. could be one of the biggest fools coming down the pike in this regard.
    ….throwing the in the towel since her candidate won’t prevail is terrible and frightening and unadulterated idiocy and should be shunned

    ====
    I think I understand, If someone does not drink the Kool-Aid, all of the Kool-aid, then they are an idiot?
    Does anyone ever question who made the Kool-Aid?
    Does anyone question, who made “you the judge” of other people, their qualities and their shortcomings?

  32. Dominique says:

    No, Paul, that’s unity party Hope and Change theme. We’re one America. Don’t you feel the love and harmony? Can you feel the states turning purple? They’re all about bringing people together. It’s Change You Can Believe In. Like unicorns.

  33. Pandora says:

    Party unity is voting Dem in November. Something I will do, but Dominique won’t… even though both Dems agree on most of the big issues.

  34. Dominique says:

    I thought the whole theme of unity included independents and republicans. Did I misunderstand?

    A very wise person on this board told me that her dad taught her to vote for the man, not the party. I will not vote for Obama simply because he’s a Democrat. I don’t care what his policies are. I see him as inexperienced and weak. An inexperienced, weak president is unlikely to see his plans come to fruition. I would rather vote for someone with experience and strength.

    I don’t even know if I’ll vote for McCain; I may write in Hillary’s name (though I’ve never written in a candidate’s name and I don’t even know how that works), but I know I won’t be voting for Obama.

    Today’s Democratic party doesn’t represent me. It’s full of the same venom I saw in the Republican party in the past. The only difference is that, rather than direct the venom at specific interest groups, Dems spew it at people in their own party and anyone who doesn’t agree with them. How is that any more acceptable? Hateful and disrespectful comments are equally offensive regardless of the target.

  35. Al Mascitti says:

    Exactly, Dominique. And that’s why some of us have sworn that Hillary, not Obama, is the problem. Now she’s saying that all the economists are wrong and she’s right about the McCain gas tax holiday. So either she’s a lot dumber than we’ve been led to believe, or she’s pandering (lying) once again.

    You like to point to the similarities between Obama and W, so let me point to one that links Hillary to him — a willingness to flat out lie to win. But I forgot, you admire that.

  36. Dominique says:

    Al,

    Give me a break. As if Obama doesn’t lie and pander.

    First he said his campaign had nothing to do with accusations of racism. Then he said they did.

    First he didn’t hear the Rev’s words. Then he did.

    First he only worked a few hours for Rezko. Then he was a friend who raised a ton of money for him and helped him buy a house.

    First Jack and Bobby Kennedy airlifted his dad out of Africa. Then they didn’t.

    First he was a Constitutional Law Professor. Then he was a Senior Lecturer.

    First he said his anti-Iraq war speech in 2002 was courageous because he was in the midst of a “high-stakes campaign”. Then it turned out he didn’t even announce his intention to run until January 2003.

    He’s taken his name off the Michigan ballot, he’s bowled, he’s shot hoops with the Tar Heels, he’s pulled the race card.

    Lie, lie, lie, lie, lie, lie pander, pander, pander.

  37. Dominique says:

    Worst of all, his campaign has made a concerted effort to distort the words of decent people and label them racists. They have destroyed reputations in an effort to get elected, so please spare me the lectures on Hillary’s willingness to stoop to unbelievable depths to win. It’s absolutely laughable.

    When will you understand? They are all the same. The only difference is some of them have strength and fortitude and some of them don’t. Obama simply doesn’t. At least not in my opinion.

  38. Al Mascitti says:

    That most of your examples are misrepresentations is beside the point. Every single situation you listed above was Obama’s response to an attack. When are you going to get it? If i condemn the attack tactics in Republicans, I must condemn them in Democrats, too. I don’t agree with her politics and I don’t agree with her tactics. Where’s that leave me? Arguing with a bitter Hillary supporter whose ire is aimed at anyone who dared to feel good about Obama.

    Here’s what you can’t or won’t see: Pulling him down as she did, as if he were some vile enemy, would be reprehensible if he were Republican. That he is a fellow Democrat shows that not just she, but the people around her as well, have lost all sense of perspective regarding this quest for the goal. Again, that’s a trait — monomania, I suppose — that I would condemn in any politician, Republican or Democrat.

  39. Al Mascitti says:

    By the way, if the “racist” thing is a reference to Ferraro, I think she is one, and they didn’t have to twist her words to make me think so. I was raised Italian too.

  40. Hube says:

    Based on what do you make your statement that Ferraro is racist, Al? Merely b/c she’s Italian?

    Isn’t that the most vile form of stereotyping, Al?

    Geez.

  41. Dominique says:

    Is a lie not a lie if it’s in response to an attack?

    I’m a little confused about your remark about her “pulling him down as she did”. What are you referring to? They’re opponents in a freaking political campaign. Is she supposed to make a donation to his campaign and attend his rallies? He pulls her down, she pulls him down. That’s what they do. When did she treat him like a “vile enemy”? If anyone is treating someone like a vile enemy, it’s his camp treating her that way.

    Your remark about her having lost sight of the goal because she’s pulling down a fellow Democrat actually made me gasp. Are you effing kidding me??? Have you missed the parts of Obama’s stump speeches and interviews where he criticizes the Clinton presidency? Or is it ok because they’re the real vile enemy?

    You’re confused about my ire. It’s aimed at his supporters - not because they see the good in Obama (although it eludes me), but because of the way they express it with nasty personal attacks on the Clintons and anyone who doesn’t embrace their candidate. They’re almost like a mob of crazed, teenaged bullies.

    As far as Geraldine is concerned, I don’t believe she’s a racist, regardless of her Italian heritage. Nor do I believe you are.

  42. Al Mascitti says:

    No, Hube. Based on what she said (not just this year, either) and based on my knowledge of Italian-Americans. And you won’t find me mouthing your stock liberal pap about racism, so don’t bother trying the “vile” line.

    Dom, look at your next post. Gotta be strong, right? Can’t look weak. You have psychological problems and you keep projecting them onto this race. Stop projecting. I have no idea what your problems in life are that you have this ugly philosophy of yours, but they’re your problems, not the problems of Obama supporters.

  43. Pandora says:

    Dominique, I agree. Your, and Hillary’s, ire is directed at Obama supporters. Which might pose a big problem if she gets the nomination, wouldn’t you say? Unless you guys are really counting on blue-collared white males to get you elected.

  44. Hube says:

    Oh sure, Al. Aside from “I know what Italians Americans are like,” that’s not vile.

    OK.

  45. Dominique says:

    Al -

    Now I have psychological problems because I admire strength and don’t fawn over weakness? Thanks, Dr. Bombay, but I’ll take your diagnosis with a grain of salt; especially given your sharp analysis of the relationship between nationality and racism.

    I have a great life, by the way. I just happen to by annoyed by wishy-washy, whiny people.

    Pandora -

    Hillary will not win the nomination. She may squeak out a win in Indiana today and even come close in NC, but it wouldn’t matter if she won every remaining primary because the nomination would have to come from the superdelegates and the party - especially the far-left wing - would never stand for that. I can just hear the charges of racism now. To be honest, I don’t even want her to win at this point. It would be tainted by all of the cries of her “stealing the election”. I’d rather see her become Senate Majority Leader.

  46. Al Mascitti says:

    Yeah, I’m real upset that the NO. 1 insulter in the Delaware blogosphere thinks I’m “vile.” Boo-effing-hoo.

  47. Al Mascitti says:

    Yes, I’d say you have psychological problems because you “admire” strength and don’t “fawn over” weakness. Along with your intense fear of being labeled racist.

    On the subject of racism among Italian-Americans, BTW, if you know of any other ethnic group in America that uses its own epithet for blacks, please let me in on it and I’ll stop considering Italians the most racist ethnic group. Until then, “mulignane” (eggplant) takes the title.

  48. Dominique says:

    Jews do.

  49. Al Mascitti says:

    What, schwartze? (I’m probably spelling that wrong). Its literal meaning is black.

    I find it interesting that you and Hube — the two most sensitive souls in the blogosphere on racial matters — were so quick to take my statement as a blanket indictment of the racial attitudes of all Italian-Americans. What I meant was that I know what Italians mean when they talk the way Ferraro did. But Hube, as usual, was the first to get self-righteous. But don’t worry, Hube, it doesn’t make you vile — just typical. And I’m sure dominique admires your strength.

  50. Dominique says:

    I do admire Hube. I admire most of the people who post because they’re not afraid to jump in and disagree. Isn’t the the point? How dull would it be if I posted something and everyone commented about how right I was?

  51. Pandora says:

    There is such a thing as quiet strength, and in my experience quiet strength is the most formidable.

    Let me give you a personal example. My fourteen year old son was asked to vote on whether a fellow basketball player should be allowed back on the team after the player was expelled from school for pulling down the pants of a classmate, who also was on the basketball team. My son didn’t make a fuss, he just quietly refused to vote. His reasoning? He told me that he thought this was a grown-up decision, and that while he thought the boy who humilated the other boy had been punished with explusion, he could also understand the boy who had his pants pulled down in front of the entire 8th grade class had a right to his feelings.

    The stupid coach - who obviously didn’t have any balls - conducted three votes on the matter. All three were split because my son was the tie breaker. All three times my son submitted a blank ballot. He was ridiculed, called names… and through the entire ordeal he didn’t lose his temper. He simply held his ground until the matter was resolved by adults.

    Quiet strength is nothing to sneer at. Oh, and by the way, my son who is an avid reader - who is constantly labeled as weak and a nerd - did more by his stance than most adults I’ve ever met.

  52. Dominique says:

    I totally agree with you. Strength doesn’t have to be loud and forceful.

    Here’s the irony -I’m really impressed with your son, but I think Obama is more like the coach. He strikes me as someone who would be tortured by having to make a difficult decision because he would want to make sure everything was fair and no one was hurt. He just doesn’t seem to have fire in his belly.

  53. Paul says:

    I like the world of numbers. Zero is deceptive. Many people believe he stands for nothing.
    But he is so powerful that anything he precedes also becomes zero.
    He is not allowed to be a divisor. So in that context he is peaceful, he does not divide other numbers.

    Now what is the power of zero?
    He can make any ONE larger or smaller.

    Consider 1.
    Zero sneaks in and moves the ONE to the Left a few places and we have 1000000. ONE-Million.

    Likewise, he can move ONE to the Right, and then we see 0.00000001 and now the 1 becomes less significant.

    I think zero is a strong number, overlooked and underrated. Quiet yet forceful.

    Zero goes both ways. +0 and -0 mean the same thing. What versatility. Zero might even be feminine. (S)he is at the center of the number line and the coordinate systems.

  54. Hube says:

    What I meant was that I know what Italians mean when they talk the way Ferraro did.

    For cripe’s sake, Al — how in the F isn’t that totally stereotypical??

    But Hube, as usual, was the first to get self-righteous. But don’t worry, Hube, it doesn’t make you vile — just typical.

    It isn’t self-righteousness. It’s utter disdain for liberals — who believe they’re somehow so morally/culturally/genetically, even superior on matter of race and ethnicity — who then spout off some of the most inane stereotypes and racially/ethnically offensive statements imaginable.

    But I suppose you’re to get a “break” b/c you’re Italian, right Al? Just like African-Americans who’ll picket endlessly if a non-black uses the N word, but many have little hassle about using it themselves.

  55. Al Mascitti says:

    You’re wrong again, Hube. I don’t consider myself superior on matters of race and ethnicity, and I haven’t accused anyone of “racism” for attacking Obama. I have, on the other hand, accused the Clinton campaign of trying to capitalize on racial polarization. It’s not the same thing.

    But just as you consider yourself an expert on HIspanic matters because you married one, I’m not going to pretend I don’t know what I know because your angry-white-man routine has kicked into overdrive. I know, quite literally, hundreds of Italian-Americans, and not just my extended family. Of course their racial attitudes vary. And every single one of them who has broached the subject has assured me they aren’t racist, usually a sentence or two before throwing that assertion into grave doubt. Now I don’t pretend there’s no generational difference; younger people, as in the population at large, are far less racially oriented. But Ms. Ferraro, if you want to know the truth, is like a pea from the same pod as my mother.

    All you conservatives who came of age in the Reagan era are the same about it. “White men are the last group it’s OK to stereotype,” blah blah blah. “You liberals are hypocrites.” Except I don’t make any pretense about whether people “stereotype” each other. Of course they do. They always have, they always will. It’s one of the reasons liberalism gets mocked so often with the word “for singing Kumbaya

  56. Hube says:

    But just as you consider yourself an expert on HIspanic matters because you married one

    Ha. Never said, never will. I don’t share your omniscience, Mascitti, or, at least PRETEND to. All I do is correct folks when they’re blatantly misinformed about Hispanics or something related to them.

    I wouldn’t ever presume to claim that Hispanics “mean something” because I know, quite literally, hundreds of them. That’s just me. I’m not like all you come-of-age in the 60s hippies who like to think they know everything about everything. That’s why you do what you do well, Al — talk radio. It’s all about blowing hot air and presumptuousness.

  57. Paul says:

    What Hube said: “It isn’t self-righteousness. It’s utter disdain for liberals — who believe they’re somehow so morally/culturally/genetically, even superior on matter of race and ethnicity — who then spout off some of the most inane stereotypes and racially/ethnically offensive statements imaginable.”
    But why limit it to just righteousnesses on race and ethnicity. Maybe because those are the tactics of liberals to see and translate everything as race?

    What is missing in post #55 is
    “Except I don’t make any pretense about whether people “stereotype” each other. Of course they do ”
    It should have continued with - “and so do I. I always have. I always will. But sometimes I will hide it with sarcasm and hyperbole.” This is blogging and talk radio, you can not expect it to be serious all the time. SO? If the general public can not tell the difference, what then???
    =========
    What is distasteful is when someone criticizes others for the same actions they do themselves. We need more mirrors. What is even more offensive is their attitude of omniscience, presumptuousness, superiority, and … Their ability to determine ‘What is in the Hearts and what is in the Minds’ of others and to render their judgment as final. That is pretty Elitist.
    ===
    I challenge people with questions, in an effort to force them to clearly state what they mean, precisely, in their own words. If I do not understand or if I believe the statement is misleading, I ask. It is offensive when anyone presumes to determine the intentions of others and to use MINDREADING, judgment, stereotypes and labels. It might be fun, but it is counterproductive.

  58. Hube says:

    To be fair to Al, he is an equal opportunity catalyst for vigorous discussion/debate — or “offender,” so to speak. You really cannot pigeonhole him. Though he IS a friggin’ liberal (by his own admission).

  59. Al Mascitti says:

    Thank you, Paul, for finishing my paragraph.

    P.S.: Counterproductive to what?

  60. Al Mascitti says:

    Hube: I’m sorry to have mischaracterized your statements on Latin American and immigrant affairs. And I apologize for the imperfect analogy; it misses the difference between being raised in a culture and coming in from the outside.

    I have found — watch out, I’m going to generalize here, so anyone who hates stereotypes should leave the room — that not just Italians but many with Eastern and Southern European roots, especially first-generation American-borns of my parents’ generation (70 and 80 year olds at this point) are hyper-aware of ethnicity, perhaps because they grew up in a time of deprevation, when everyone was jockeying for a job and position on the social ladder. This is what I mean by “racist” — not that they hate those of other races and ethnicities, but they’re never unaware of it the way today’s 20-somethings can be.

  61. kavips says:

    Mike, what are the top three posts getting hits on your blog?….We spontaneously started it in place of ATH this week. It’s wide open, you can go for the week, or all time…..

    You can either post the links in my comment section, or post on your own blog with a link in my comment section that sends us your way.
    Check out the others…

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