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May 23rd, 2008

Keith Olbermann Is An Ass

Barack Obama’s personal ball washer, Keith Olbermann, gave us yet another glimpse into his enormous ego with another one of his scintillating, over-the-top ‘Special Comments’.  This time he repeatedly screamed about Hillary saying the word “assassination” (Oh My God!  The children!  What will we tell the children?!?).  He nearly blew an artery during his rant, as though she had somehow plotted to get rid of Obama herself.  He even went as far as to say that she implied that ‘she was hanging around waiting for somebody to try something terrible’.  He then went on with a list of things for which ‘we have forgiven’ Hillary (whomever the fuck ‘we’ is) including, but not limited to:

I don’t even know where to start with this jackass.  Olbermann’s inimitable arrogance in assuming it is up to him or anyone else to forgive Senator Clinton for anything is absolutely galling.  The tone of his blustering, pontificating rant was unbelievably rude and disrespectful.  He is, after all, speaking directly to a United States Senator.  Perhaps someone should remind him that he’s an ESPN reject and a two-bit political hack.  More importantly, someone should clue him in to the fact that he has become that which he deplores – Bill O’Reilly’s left-wing counterpart.  His pathetic attempt to somehow convince people that he is on par with Edward R. Murrow would be offensive if it wasn’t so, well…sad. 

Virtually every one of Hillary’s awful offenses that he listed is par for the course in a presidential campaign.  Of course, Senator Clinton clearly didn’t get the memo that outlined the rules of campaigning against Senator Obama.  Perhaps someone should send it to Senator McCain so there’s no confusion…

Please, super-delegates, in the name of all that is holy, jump over to Obama tomorrow morning.  I don’t know what you’re waiting for.  Please just end it now.  Put us out of our misery.  Please.  We are sick to death of the crying, screaming, ranting, raving paranoia of the left-wing fringe lunatics.  Please.  Do it for the good of the Democratic Party.  Do it for the good of the country.  Do it for the children!  Think of the children!

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87 Responses to “Keith Olbermann Is An Ass”

  1. Hube says:

    Keith Olbermann Is An Ass

    To say the LEAST. Dom. To say the least.

  2. liz allen says:

    who wrote this garbage. Keith Olberman is an ass because he had the audacity to “take on Clinton who in effect was or is hoping for the assination of Obama”. Are you Hilary supporters so crazed that your candidate has lost all credibilty that you would forgive that obvious “death wish”! Keith Olberman has been telling the truth about Bush and his henchman for years! Did you think him an “ass” then?

    Have you seen the blogs right and left..she is being condemned all the way round! This is insanity, plus. She is finished, this latest rant of hers has doomed her for any seat in my view.

    Keith Olberman told the truth about the Clintons, they “will stop at nothing to win this election”. Hilary is more dangerous than McInsane, and her commentary yesterday proves it. She has no chance, the superdelegates are going to Obama in droves.

  3. Hube says:

    Keith Olbermann will “take on” anybody who isn’t currently being fawned over by the media. He used to dig McCain when he was a thorn in Bush’s side. Now he hates him. He virtually got on his knees and blew Bill Clinton after Chris Wallace’s interview with the former prez. Now Hillary is the anti-Christ.

    If the Dems were to suddenly turn on Obama and, say, pick Al Gore, you can bet Keithy’d be right on board — blasting Obama and lauding Gore. It’s like “predicting” a sunrise.

  4. Dominique says:

    I stopped reading the HuffPo and Daily Kos because they’re so over-the-top for Obama. I’m sticking with MyDD and TalkLeft who are not condemning what she said by any stretch of the imagination – NOR IS RFK, JR, BTW. Maybe you guys should consider lightening up just a little bit. The Clintons aren’t out to get Obama or the country. They’re the best thing that’s happened to the Democratic Party in decades. I’m certain they’ve raised more money for the DNC and Dem candidates around the country over the past 20 years than any political couple in history. They single-handedly revitalized the party in the 90’s and the thanks they get is a bunch of whiny Obama surrogates and supporters twisting their words, calling them racists and essentially shitting all over them. It’s shameful.

    I guess that’s what being a Democrat is all about - picking the flavor of the month and kicking the old standbys to the curb. Bunch of weak-kneed, spineless wimps who don’t know the first thing about allegiance. The name of the game in the Democratic party is apology. ‘I’m so sorry I offended you, sir. I promise it won’t happen again.’ should be the party slogan. John Kerry and the rest of the Dems sat by and let the Republicans swiftboat him. What do you think John McCain would have done if he had been in the same situation? He would have stood in front of the cameras and shamed the Democrats for questioning the integrity of a man who had risked his life in Vietnam – and he would have been surrounded by fellow Republicans. During the Lewinsky scandal, the Dems all stood in front of the cameras and talked about how ashamed they were of Bill Clinton. Had it been GWB, the Republicans would have circled the wagons and shamed the Dems for delving into his personal life. The Dems, of course, would have skulked away with their tails between their legs. Cheney tells Leahy to go fuck himself on the Senate floor and no one says a word. Had it be reversed, the Republicans would have berated Leahy for being disrespectful and the Dems would have, once again, been in front of the cameras turning on one of their own. There is absolutely no loyalty in this party. Why the fuck would they expect their constituents to be loyal to them?

    I am sick to death of this party. Nothing but a bunch of fucking babies, as far as I’m concerned – constantly whining about hurt feelings and inappropriate comments. GET OVER IT! Who the hell wants a god-damn crybaby running the country?!? September 10th I will be switching my registration back to Independent and I won’t look back.

  5. liz allen says:

    Dominque: Thats what I did..couldnt stand either of these corporate parties…went to the Independent Party of Delaware at least we have ballot status…being an independent simply means you are unafilated…makes no sense. Starting tomorrow night on Chan. 28, at 5:30 - 6:00 Robert Brown and I will be discussing how both the democrats and republicans have violated the rights of citizens (who are in miniority parties) preventing us from voting in the primary…that is taxation without representation, and unconstitutional…and that aint all….we are going back to 1896 Plessy vs. Ferguson, and then to 1965 Brown vs. Board of Education, and how the State of Delware has been out of compliance with the consitution and screwing the citizens. Whether it be voting rights, DP&L, environmental policies, access to courts, labor laws etc…we have permitted our legislature to overrule the citizens while they vote for the corporates at every opportunity.

    We have a platform that is citizen driven, and we actually write legislation.

  6. Dana Garrett says:

    I do think the comment by Hillary about the assassination of RFK is being grossly misinterpreted by many Dems. I say that and I am an Obama supporter.

    Often when people speak they use an example to carry the weight of a concept they leave unexplained. I believe the concept Hillary left unexplained is “No one knows what unexpected and unpredictable event or circumstances could cause someone to leave a race even at the last minute.” She used the RFK example as a kind of extreme example of an unexpected and unpredictable event or circumstance.

    What’s occurring is a lot of people w/ pent-up resentment about how Hillary has conducted her campaign (and I disagree w/ you Dom about how her behavior has been customary in a race)and how she has said things to undermine Obama’s chances of success in November are latching on to this example as the proverbial final straw.

    The truth is, short of something unpredictable occurring Obama will be the nominee and Clinton’s insistence of slugging it out to the end is strange to the least. Nevertheless, I do not believe she meant she desires harm to come to Obama.

    But, Dom, I don’t get this statement at all:

    “Olbermann’s inimitable arrogance in assuming it is up to him or anyone else to forgive Senator Clinton for anything is absolutely galling. The tone of his blustering, pontificating rant was unbelievably rude and disrespectful. He is, after all, speaking directly to a United States Senator.”

    Americans, shouldn’t rake their government officials over the coals when they believe they deserve it? Hell, that’s how we started this nation by mocking King George. Even George Washington got it in the neck by people aligned w/ Jefferson. They called Washington disloyal, a monarchist, a traitor, etc. In fact, it got so bad there is good evidence to believe Washington didn’t run for a 3rd term because of it.

    It’s one thing to argue Hillary doesn’t deserve the criticism because its wrong on the facts. It’s another to say she doesn’t deserve it because of her office.

  7. Dominique says:

    I’m not saying that she doesn’t deserve criticism. I’m just saying that it’s important to maintain a civil tone when addressing a member of congress - especially if you’re broadcasting to an entire nation and even the world (via youtube). I’m also not contending that everything she’s done during the campaign has been above board; I simply said that it’s par for the course for a presidential election. Both Obama and Clinton have behaved hideously at from time to time throughout this campaign. The only difference is that she seems to be held to a much higher standard than he does.

  8. Dominique says:

    Liz - I couldn’t agree with you more about Independents getting shafted. I’ve often wondered how it was legal to shut us out of the primary process. I can understand prohibiting Dems or Reps to cross over during primaries, but Indy’s should be allowed to choose one or the other. I will be setting my tivo for tomorrow night’s show. Thanks for the heads up.

  9. Hube says:

    we are going back to 1896 Plessy vs. Ferguson, and then to 1965 Brown vs. Board of Education

    Liz, the overheated nutty rhetoric is outlandish enough, but at least get your facts right (aren’t you always screaming for everyone to “get the facts?”). Your Brown v. Board of Ed. date was 11 years off. Try 1954, sister.

  10. liz allen says:

    hube: 1954 was brown vs. bd of education ruling, better check out how Delaware handled it.

    and it was a typo..1965.

    Dominque: jefferson and Adams both stated we should be fearful of a “two party” system, which is what we have! And both parties have created a system, whereby each state has different rules and regulations all contrived to prevent any third party from challenging them…its all unconstitutional!

  11. liz allen says:

    dominque: we plan to have many programs on the topic…it will be difficult to communicate, lots of legalese and the powers that be have complicated it (on purpose). Remember we have to go back to 1896 and come forward to 1954, and then understand what has happened since. We will do our best.

  12. Jim says:

    Olbermann is a complete and utter ass. He is a DEVIL if there ever was one.

  13. Dana Garrett says:

    “the Independent Party of Delaware”

    IPOD selected Protack as its candidate, a pro-life candidate–someone who would deny a woman the right to control her own body if he were Governor.

    I’m surrised, Liz, at you rolling over on such an important issue w/o a word of protest…w/o you voicing any hesitation about your party. I guess you find being a big fish in a small pond worth the compromise, eh?

    They say everyone has a price and apparently yours comes cheaply: just a smidgen of official status.

  14. Dominique says:

    When I switched my registration to Independent, it wasn’t to align myself with IPOD (do you think Steve Jobs gets royalty fees for that? :) ). I was thinking more in terms of ‘unaffiliated’, but I don’t remember that being an option on the voter registration form.

  15. James says:

    “I am sick to death of this party. Nothing but a bunch of fucking babies, as far as I’m concerned – constantly whining about hurt feelings and inappropriate comments. GET OVER IT! Who the hell wants a god-damn crybaby running the country?!?”

    Bringing up the specter of assassinating the first black candidate with the real chance of becoming president as a reason why you are staying in a campaign is sick.

    That’s it.

    There’s no debate about that.

    And if being shocked by her statement means that one has to be a whining cry baby, then you and Pat Buchanan should go out to dinner and be evil together.

    Olbermann went overboard. No duh. That’s what he does. But much of what he said is felt by many, many people, no matter who they support.

    I mean, Dominique has drank so much Kool-Aid that is we have video of Clinton personally assassinating Obama, she would somehow come up with a tortured defense of it, just like Clinton’s own tortured defense about whey she is staying in the race.

    Frankly, I’m happy you are switching your registration. You belong where you’re headed. There is really no room for someone who defends assassination suggestions, especially when the person who said it has already apologized for it.

  16. snark says:

    He’s Morton Downey Jr. with a better wardrobe and a different time slot.

    same schtick, diffent decade.

  17. liz allen says:

    Dana: for the record it wasnt my vote. The executive committee met on that issue. For what its worth, Protack appears to be reviewing the best researched, citizen sponsored legislation.
    Independent Inspector General and other issues.

    There is a convention coming up, I can cast my vote then.

  18. snark says:

    “Barack Obama’s personal ball washer, Keith Olbermann”

    Madame you have a way with words…

  19. Shirley says:

    Dominque…I’m with you. I was Independent, then switched to Republican. But I’m going back to Independent. Both sides nauseate me.

    The Democrats are still the old tax-and-spend party, but I think I’m leaning towards Markell, at least until Lee comes out with some kind of platform instead of just asking me for money.

    The Republican party in Delaware is in a shambles. I hope they can come up with some reasonable candidates in the future. For now, my votes criss-cross all over the place.

    I am never going to agree 100% with any candidate. I will not fawn over my choice…I will hold them accountable. I will not worship them, I will demand accountability. They are working for ME, not the next election or their precious image.

  20. Dana Garrett says:

    “The Democrats are still the old tax-and-spend party, but I think I’m leaning towards Markell, at least until Lee comes out with some kind of platform instead of just asking me for money.”

    If I were Republicanish in political temperament, I think I would do the same thing. Bill Lee doesn’t even seem t know the issues well enough to show up for a debate.

  21. Dominique says:

    Yes, James, that’s what she was doing. She was suggesting an assassination might occur.

    What would you Obama supporters have without a complicit media tag-teaming you while you overdramatize every single word ever spoken? I guess that’s what you have to resort to when your candidate brings virtually nothing of substance to the table and doesn’t have a terribly commanding grasp of the issues. Just keep distracting the electorate with shiny objects so they don’t notice that the emperor is, in fact, naked.

  22. Dana Garrett says:

    “Dana: for the record it wasnt my vote. The executive committee met on that issue.”

    Sorry, Liz, someone told me you were on that committee.

  23. Dominique says:

    Also, she didn’t state that was the reason she was still in the race, drama queen. She was making the point that it isn’t unusual for primaries to run into June. Of course you know that, but why miss an opportunity to have yet another pity party.

  24. James says:

    If her intent was simply to say that primaries run into June, just say that.

    Don’t lie about Bill not having his nomination wrapped up until June and don’t bring up assassination.

    Please. You’re just being silly now.

    Plus, I like how you go around calling people whining babies when this entire post is just that: the rantings of a snot-nosed punk who is crying because her candidate isn’t going to win.

    Get over it.

    Thank you and goodnight.

  25. G Rex says:

    “Bringing up the specter of assassinating the first black candidate with the real chance of becoming president as a reason why you are staying in a campaign is sick.”

    Piffle. I don’t watch Keith Olberman, but I had the same reaction when I saw this story on Fox the other day. Now, what if she’d phrased it thusly:

    “You know, I’ve been a NASCAR fan ever since my daddy took me to a race at Chicagoland Speedway, at the age of nine. (cheers from the NASCAR fans in the crowd) Well, I was watching the Coca Cola 600 last night, and it looked like Tony Stewart was going to win the race (boos from the Stewart haters in the crowd) but he blew a tire with three laps to go, and Kasey Kahne won the race. And that’s why I’m staying in this race, because you have to go all 400 laps!”

    Olberman: “Hillary Clinton wants Barack Obama to die in a car crash! How dare she!”

  26. Dominique says:

    Exactly, G Rex. The DNC has a very difficult decision to make this weekend regarding MI & FL. Since every other effort from the media and the Obama surrogates to pressure her to drop out of the race has failed, it’s pretty obvious that the intention is to try to shame her into it before the weekend. It would make things so much easier for the DNC. Who knows, maybe everyone would even forget how badly they screwed things up.

  27. Andy says:

    Dominique says:

    Exactly, G Rex. The DNC has a very difficult decision to make this weekend regarding MI & FL

    What decision? Her Husbands run the party they have run the the Democratic Party for the last 15 years Her husband’s cronies wrote the rules Those rules were violated why now do we change the rules.
    Mrs Clinton had the nomination handed to her on a silver platter. She had all of the positive press coverage any one could ask for in the begining to the detriment of good candidates in the very begining who new early on they had no shot
    Because she blew these opportunities not Keith Olbermann or anyone else but Mrs. Clinton (notice its not Rodham -Clinton anymore) She has no one to blame but her self.
    Mr. Obama has won this thing fair and square. His people did not run the party and, did not make up the rules concerning Michigan and Florida.
    the bottom line is with all of the advantages of the home team she still lost

  28. liz allen says:

    Dana: you see rumors all over the place…Nope not on the Ex. Committee…and know I wouldnt have supported it for the exact reason you mention.

    I will be casting my vote at the convention for what its worth.

  29. Dominique says:

    Odd, because the press coverage I remember early on was lots of chatter about her so-called ‘high negatives’ and ‘the nation is concerned about what bill’s role will be in the white house’ and ‘are we ready for another clinton presidency’ and blah, blah, blah. So, I call bullshit on the media spin about her alleged ‘inevitability’ early on.

    If by ‘run the Democratic Party’, you mean ‘raised gobs of money for and essentially revitalized the thankless Democratic Party’, then, yes, I would have to agree with you. Also, the DNC didn’t choose to move up the MI & FL primaries, nor did the Clintons. And I’m pretty sure Obama blocked a revote from happening in MI and possibly FL as well. Typical spineless move from him - avoiding anything he might lose (MI ballot, WV, KY). Yeah, he’ll make a GREAT president.

    Yes, her campaign made some horrible decisions and critical errors. At the end of the day, however, you’d have to be blind to not see that she’s the strongest candidate in the field. Neither of her opponents has her grasp on the issues or her tenacity. Of course, the children in the far left wing of the party would rather gloat about her supposed fall from glory than see that they’re backing a pony instead of a thoroughbred. It would be funny if it wasn’t so sad.

  30. Sam Carpini says:

    Hillary is a lier, fraud and conartist. Anyone that can see that is as dumb as the folks in Ohio.
    They deserve her and Bill as they ripped them off with Nafta and got rich beyond their wildest dreams.

  31. Dominique says:

    Sam, Sam, Sam. I think any politician who gets as far as running for president has a little bit of liar, fraud and con artist blood running in their veins. C’mon. Read up on Obama.

    As far as being rich, they’ve written books and he’s done speaking engagements (all ex-presidents make millions in speaking engagements). Obama’s written a couple of books, too. He’s hardly collecting welfare. He’s already a millionaire - he has way more money than the Clintons did at his age (or at the same point in their political careers). There’s no sin in making a ton of money - it’s the American dream.

  32. Andy says:

    If Mrs. Clinton were the strongest candiate then she would have won and that is the bottom line she had the deal handed to her on a silver platter She got media spin for several years She got the early endorsements She had everything going for her Her side wrote the party rules Now she wants to change those rules because they do not work for her This is Amereica and whats right is right The MI and FL dems knew they were in vioaltion the candidates agreed not to campaign in places that broke the rules yet even then Mrs Clinton tried to change the rules of the game because she knew she could not win she left her name on the ballot even when every one else had pulled out she even campaigned after she agreed not too
    The bottom line is even after the smoke has cleard and that is exactly what this has been is smoke and BS Mr. Obama has won She needs to face that fact and move on
    BTW what ever happened to screw the relatinship between the Clintons and Gores

  33. Dana Garrett says:

    ““You know, I’ve been a NASCAR fan ever since my daddy took me to a race at Chicagoland Speedway….”

    Actually, GRex, if she had said that, it would be far more offensive. A NASCAR fan getting as far as Hillary in a primary race IN MY PARTY? Why that alone would be grounds to strip of every delegate she has won thus far. :)

  34. Nancy Willing says:

    Barack Obama’s personal ball washer, Keith Olbermann”

    Madame you have a way with words…

    *
    But of course! Such respect for a sitting senator…
    if Hillary had balls to wash, Donna, you’d be performing that delicate function in high style. Wash, Rinse, Repeat.

  35. Dominique says:

    Nancy, I think she may have a bigger set than Obama.

    Andy, he may be the stronger candidate in a Democratic primary, but she is the stronger general election candidate. There’s really no getting around it. They’re two completely different contests.

    Put your passions to the side, people, and look at the big picture. The Dems are about to nominate the weaker GE candidate once again. I once heard someone say that Democrats vote with their hearts and Republicans vote with their heads. Every four years Dems go out of their way to prove that theory right and it rarely works out for them.

  36. Dominique says:

    Andy -

    Get your facts straight. She was not the only one who left her name on the ballot and the ones who took their names off were pandering to Iowans who didn’t want to have their blessed caucus trumped by any other state.

    Also, what freaking media spin did get for several years that was remotely positive? The media narrative of her has always been that she is power-hungry, manipulative, divisive and wrought with high negatives. She has managed to prosper in spite of unprecedented negative coverage that stops just short of calling her the devil incarnate.

  37. Andy says:

    Maam You must watch to much fox
    Explain why she can’t raise money and hasn’t for along while
    Whether presuured by the Iowans or not BIll’s people run the party they wrote the rules They said no early primaries
    Wasn’t she the only one on the ballot in one of those primaries? (Michigan I think)
    The DLC needs to be dead and buried and the party has stated this through the Parties Process
    Mrs Clinton has far too much baggage and we do not need to get bogged down with it whether its right or wrong that is a fact. If she were the nominee I would vote for her but she won’t be the deal is done.

  38. Shirley says:

    “…we do not need to get bogged down with it whether its right or wrong…”

    So whether’it’ is right or wrong means nothing?

    I think that statement makes Dominique’s point in a nutshell.

  39. Andy says:

    So whether’it’ is right or wrong means nothing?

    I think that statement makes Dominique’s point in a nutshell.

    So just throw out the rules just because they do not suit some one ok
    Fine
    I think rules should be changed and Joe Biden should be the nominee ust because Joe did not have Hillary’s or Barack’s star power within the party I don’t think it was fair and he could toast John McCain in an election Now will Joe get the noination of course not and obviously he shouldn’t
    Now you may not like the analogy but thats the best I got right now
    This about integrity and honesty something defintely lacking on the other side
    Personally I think Mr. Obama will wipe the floor with John McCain and what makes him weaker than Mrs. Clinton because he taken a few bombs thrown at him. He seems to ahve survived them fairly well and he will in November
    Ms Dominique its been a pleasure having this discusion and I hope you will return the favor and vote for Mr. Obama in November if he is nominated

  40. Dominique says:

    She has raised millions and millions of dollars - not just during this election cycle, but over the past several years. Her donations have dropped off over the past few months because the media pretty much crowned him the winner in February. It’s kind of hard to raise money when people are led to believe you don’t stand a chance. That said, he has outspent her by huge margins and she has still managed to win or hold her own. What does that tell you about Obama?

    Andy, I am enjoying this discussion (even tho I sometimes feel like I’m surrounded by an angry mob), but I’m not going to vote for Obama in November. It’s not about how I think HRC was treated or what I think about Obama supporters (though both those things matter to me). It’s about him. I just don’t think he has the experience or the backbone for the job.

  41. Andy says:

    My problems with HRC is NAFTA ( Her recent talks on the subject not withstanding)
    Being former Board member of and maintaining close ties to the management of Walmart
    like Bill too cozy with Corporate World
    and the Democratic Leadership Council
    These things show me that she is out of touch with working people. Is the Working persons paycheck going to close the gap even slightly with the CEO paycheck under her watch Hers and Bills record both tell me no and Bill is part of the equation no matter how any one feels about this subject they are tied at the hip its a fact of life
    I think Mr. Obama’s recent problems are a direct result of the Rev Wright Fiasco and I’ll give him credit he didn’t shy away from it
    These are the main reasons I have probelms with Mrs. Clinton now like I said If she is the nominee I will hold my nose and vote for her because she would be the lesser of two evils

  42. Nancy Willing says:

    Donna, her campaign is 20 million in the hole NOW. One of the reasons cited for her continuing her run is that she needs to milk the process for her debts’ sake.

    She is in no way the stronger candidate. Money raising problems are indeed a very strong indicator of that.

    A Clinton on the ballot will bring out many base-category GOPerheads to the polls who otherwise would definately stay home with a wishy washy was a centrist/now is a Bushco boy, McCain.

    And I’d say that though Clinton is doing his/her best to dampen the meme, Obama’s policy of engagement has already started to get world leaders in talks together, the best strategy to cut violence and turn to the other pressing concerns of the world - food, energy, human rights.

  43. Nancy Willing says:

    Think about it.
    Her aysmal failures in how she ran her ‘unsinkable’ campaign,
    her money troubles
    and some of the votes she totes in her senate handbook in the war and corporate banking columns
    add up to someone who does not a decent executive make.

  44. Dominique says:

    ‘One of the reasons cited for her continuing her run is that she needs to milk the process for her debts’ sake.’

    First, where was this cited? Second, that makes absolutely no sense. It costs her money to continue AND she can get her $11 million personal investment back if she drops out.

    ‘Obama’s policy of engagement has already started to get world leaders in talks together’

    Umm…what? Please tell me which world leaders heard about Obama’s big plan to talk to them and decided to get a head start on the festivities.

  45. Nancy Willing says:

    I don’t respond to lazy Hillbots, D, sorry. Look it up your own self. You don’t bother to do any homework so go ahead and take the F, you have earned it. I am done doing your work for you. The answers are there if you want the truth but its clear you don’t.

  46. Dominique says:

    OK, so you pull some crock of shit out of the air about Hillary staying in the race to ‘milk the process for her debt’s sake’ and claim that Obama accidentally sparked a foreign policy miracle just be being so..him and I’m supposed to research the validity? Whatever. If that makes me a ‘lazy Hillbot’ then so be it.

  47. James says:

    Lezzy Hillbot.

  48. Nancy Willing says:

    Like I said, the truth is there but you won’t pursue it. No.Intellectual.Capital.

  49. Shirley says:

    Nancy, that’s lame. You made the claim. It’s up to you to prove it.

  50. G Rex says:

    “Obama’s policy of engagement has already started to get world leaders in talks together.”

    You mean Russia and China talking to each other about how best to stick it to us?

  51. Hube says:

    Like I said, the truth is there but you won’t pursue it. No.Intellectual.Capital.

    I wonder if Nancy handed in research papers and instead of footnotes she wrote a note to the prof that said “My facts are good. The truth is there. Go find it yourself.”

  52. Nancy Willing says:

    No, The Dim One has pursued this to no end over on DE Lib, has been answered over and over and nothing sticks to the wee brain. I don’t have the energy to repeat it over and over. But do go read it over there.

  53. Dominique says:

    OK, John Nash, time to take your meds. Neither of those wacko claims were stated on any thread I participated in on DE Lib. Of course, they’re coming from the same batshit mind that created a whole fantasy world in which I’m somehow in a pissing match with John Daniello (never met him) and I stormed out of a party I never attended. Seek help, sweetie. Seriously.

  54. Nancy Willing says:

    You mean Russia and China talking to each other about how best to stick it to us?
    *
    heh, G. You probably know how I feel about that.

    No, I mean, in part, the trip that an Obama-inspired Carter recently took that generated a flurry of Israeli-Palestinian talks that Condi pretended to orchestrate. The Syrians and Israelis also began negotiations through the Turkey that snagged up the Bushco to the point where Bushie felt he had to take a stab at ‘policy of engagement’ right there during the 60th birthday party.

    Carter’s moving the goal posts started an immensely positive potential for peace. Don’t mistake kindness for weakness is a phrase that best underscores what Obama is all about here. The negotitions against violence is not dangerous. Continuing to abet violence as Bushco has done in Iraq has proven to be be an extremely dangerous foreign policy, not to mention one that endebts us to China, has destroyed the lives of 60K mentally and physically wounded American soldiers.

    Also Cuba. We already have normalized relations with commie Viet Nam and commie China, what is holding up normalizing relations with Cuba outside of the snide political manipulation by the powerful Miami exiles? A president who won’t kow tow to special interests can open up the Cuban market for trade and tourism already enjoyed by Europe.

    And of course Iran is the nation that is benefiting the most from Bushco middle east activity so I see only good from making a switch there. Another area of cooperation should be the South American countries that Bushco fears and belittles.

    Who can look at the state of the world today and not see the folly of the ugly American?

  55. Nancy Willing says:

    Hube is such a partisan nutjob he isn’t worth noticing any more than the Dim One anymore (at least when it comes to her woman power-fixation).

    And Shirley has lowered herself to someone who would mock a politician like Obama with comparisons to Hitler, just because Americans see in him the kind of potential to make the kinds of changes happen I outined above.

    People show up to join in communion with like-minded anti-war/pro-peace individuals, Shirley. There is a powerful vision to build America’s glory back from the hole we are in now brought by the last thirty years of Republican/DEM Centrist corporations-come-first pay to play policies.

  56. Nancy Willing says:

    Dona When did I say that you attended the Young DEM party? I didn’t, one more of your attention mishaps?
    I was there with Mike Matthews and he is the first person I am going to run this by since we hung out together most of the time that night.
    Someone told me that Mat’s mom got into a huge conflict and dropped the DEM party and believe you me, I am all about getting to the bottom of it. I may have heard something wrong, it was what, a year or so ago? I am not afraid to admit I may have been mistaken but I am not interested in taking you at your word from the kind of crap that has come out of your trap lately.

  57. Dominique says:

    Nancy - It’s ok to be a woman. You don’t have to fight it or be embarrassed by it. Embrace your vagina, Nance. Free yourself and embrace it.

    I must say, it’s funny to hear someone as viscious as you talk about being anti-war/pro-peace. You are the antithesis of unity, peaceful existence and tranquility. Just look at the way you dismiss those who don’t agree with you. You’re no different than GWB. What a bitter, bitter irony.

  58. Nancy Willing says:

    The point Donna, is that when Pandora calmly stated the concrete things that Obama had indicated that he would DO to promote the kind of CHANGE that he espoused, Cuba was mentioned. You elided over her answer to you just as you ignored and or twisted every topic through the thread and it became exhaustingly obvious that your woman crush is all you got. There is no talking to you.

  59. Nancy Willing says:

    heh, I am good with my sensuality Dim One, I’d bet I have had more, better and more unusual sex than you’d blush your way through the hearing of. And most of it was after my thirteth birthday (the kinky stuff, anyway).
    What I am not interested in doing is turning to a female candidate in blind woman empowerment. That is just silly.

  60. Shirley says:

    “…..And Shirley has lowered herself to someone who would mock a politician like Obama…”

    The nuances of politics seem to elude you, Nancy. You also seem to be able to dish it out, but not take it. You might want to borrow some smarts and cajones from Hillary.

    “……People show up to join in communion with like-minded anti-war/pro-peace individuals…”

    Oh really? Or was the crowd in Seattle possibly there for the free 45-minute concert by the popular band “The Decembrists”?

    The Oregonian described the gathering:
    “Obama was the biggest star at Sunday’s gathering — though a popular Portland band, The Decemberists, provided the warmup act. With blue skies and temperatures in the 80s, many in the crowd said Waterfront Park was simply the place to be.”

    All may not have been “peace and love”. Perhaps a sunny day and a free concert played a part.

  61. Dominique says:

    Right here:
    “160 Nancy Willing // May 27, 2008 at 10:18 pm

    For the record, I heard that Donna Marshall had a huge blowout with DEM party heads and left the party in a huff. This was some time ago before I knew anything about her and it was at the Young DEM kickoff party so, if it wasn’t Daniello, it was someone else, unless, some kid lied to me and why they would I couldn’t imagine. Now that I am being called a liar, I will start to do some digging on the story.”

    Perhaps I misunderstood you to mean that I was at the party when you meant that you were at the party. Either way, dig all you want. It’s a crazy story and it isn’t true.

  62. Dominique says:

    Dear god, Nance, that was way more information than I was ready to digest this close to the dinner hour.

    I didn’t brush off Pandora’s comment about Cuba. As I recall her comment was something along the lines of ‘I like his stance on Cuba’. I simply stated that talking to world leaders is hardly a novel approach. Regardless of how Bush has conducted himself over the past eight years, American presidents have been ‘talking to’ world leaders throughout modern history. Sometimes, tho, talking doesn’t accomplish much. Some world leaders are like you. They prefer to ignore reason and lash out viciously at their foes. I would think you of all people would understand that.

    The point that Hillary, McCain and anyone with true foreign policy experience were making was that a lot of groundwork has to be done before the president meets with the leader of a country that is not an ally. There is a certain protocol that is set for a reason. If Barack picks up the phone and decides to work it out one on one with, say, Kim Jong Il, he will likely be made a fool of. Our reputation as a superpower is important. It may sound like testosterone-laden nonsense, but it’s part of what keeps our shores safe. Obama’s belief that all world leaders can be reasoned with as though they were kids in a schoolyard is beyond naive; it’s dangerous.

  63. Dominique says:

    Shirley - thank you so much for sharing that. I was stunned that any politician could draw a crowd that large. It makes so much more sense now. I heard that Kerry drew 50,000 in Oregon when he ran. I wonder who opened for him.

  64. Nancy Willing says:

    Actually a friend of mine already made that joke, Shirl, that the crowd was there for the Decembrists.

    I was referring to the many crowds that have come out for this candidate. The crowd that I joined here in Wilmington where 20,000 of us looked to a better future with this person at the helm.

    And to the crowd in front of the Philadelphia Independence Hall which might have tipped 50,000, not just the crowd that you depicted.

    Your comparison wasn’t a particular day or a particular crowd in the life of Hitler’s mind-fuck of an experiment, it was that his charisma gathered crowds.

  65. Nancy Willing says:

    So, the scholared Dim One presumes to follow the FOX portrayal of Obama foreign policy. D’OH!
    When you can find me a quote of Obama saying that that is how he intends to conduct foreign policy, we’ll talk. But you admit that you haven’t even read your own candidate’s positions and that you get your information from the teevee.
    No wonder you can’t fathom what is going on.

  66. Dominique says:

    Genius,

    Enjoy the show…

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSFSUbMWenU

    Your incredibly unoriginal attacks are growing tiresome. Perhaps you should consider some new material.

    Much love,
    Dim One

  67. Nancy Willing says:

    Point taken, but I am not convinced that the body of his comment reflects the particular slant of the question you remain focused on. The term pre-condition is the stickler and I think I’d ask Obama to define that before I’d conclude more about it.

  68. Nancy Willing says:

    Can the Dimness address any one of these concerns?

    Andy says:

    My problems with HRC is NAFTA ( Her recent talks on the subject not withstanding)
    Being former Board member of and maintaining close ties to the management of Walmart
    like Bill too cozy with Corporate World
    and the Democratic Leadership Council
    These things show me that she is out of touch with working people. Is the Working persons paycheck going to close the gap even slightly with the CEO paycheck under her watch Hers and Bills record both tell me no and Bill is part of the equation no matter how any one feels about this subject they are tied at the hip its a fact of life

  69. Dominique says:

    No, Nancy, because - as I’ve said a bajillion times - I am not delusional enough to believe that she is flawless. I dont agree with everything she does (though I don’t necessarily have an issue with the DLC part - I’m a centrist, remember?). It’s called being a rational voter. I don’t expect you to be too familiar with the concept.

    For a party that claims to be progressive, I am stunned by how closed-minded so many of you are. This may come as a shock to you, but I think there are good ideas and good people on both sides of the aisle. I find that the people closes to the center have a tendency to be more rational and more inclined to work together to get things done (see: McCain and Clinton). Extremism doesn’t help anyone or anything, regardless of whether it’s on the right or on the left.

    Tell me, dear, what are Barack’s shortcomings…or doesn’t he have any?

  70. Dominique says:

    BTW, I think it’s a bit of a stretch to characterize Jimmy Carter’s trip to the middle east ‘Obama-inspired’. JC’s been barking up that tree since before Obama went through puberty. It’s been his life mission to try to get those crazies to settle down and it’s demeaning to him to attribute it to the new kid on the block.

    As far as his comment about meeting with leaders without pre-conditions, I think it was emblematic of the problem he will face in the GE in terms of inexperience. He strikes me as a bit idealistic about how the world works. He has a tendency to come across like a college student - cocky, naive and over-confident. Anyone who thinks he can sit down and reason with people who have a disdain for our country and our government, for legitimate reasons in many cases, is either completely unfamiliar with history or laughably impressed with his own charm. Either way, it’s not good.

  71. Andy says:

    The continued growth of the income gap is probably my biggest conern Its becoming insane

  72. Shirley says:

    Dominque asks: “Tell me, dear, what are Barack’s shortcomings…or doesn’t he have any?

    Apparently not.

    http://obamamessiah.blogspot.com/

  73. Dominique says:

    Shirley -

    That site would be hysterically funny if it wasn’t so sickening. Seeing all of those articles, quotes and advertisements in one spot really puts things into perspective.

    I can’t believe so many people are caught up in ‘the movement’. I guess I’m just cynical about the ability of any human being - especially a politician - to move mountains. I think the way they get all starry-eyed and foamy-mouthed over him is just plain creepy.

    Ironically, people who support him were right there with me mocking the electorate that brought us eight years of Bush. I remember thinking ‘how could people be so blind about this guy?’ in 2000 and 2004. When I hear them chanting ‘Yes I Can’ it gives me the same awkward feeling I used to get when I heard the phrase ‘freedom fries’. People parroting what a politician says is very disconcerting, regardless of political persuasion.

  74. Paul says:

    What a Site. If I vote for Obama, will that mean 78 virgins? What a BOMB!

    It would have been so illustrative if there was a Web site for JFK to compare this to in 1960.

  75. Nancy Willing says:

    So, you have no defense of Clinton, just a girl crush? Talk about lame.
    What Andy asked you to defend are indicative of serious policy flaws, not cackles and kanckles.
    Ducking the core doubts about your candidate by turning the questions on their head? Nice.

  76. Dominique says:

    That’s right, Nancy. I don’t feel like I have to make up some lame ass excuse for my candidate’s flaws like you do. I can accept that she is human and, therefore, imperfect. I can see why you don’t understand that concept, though, since Obama’s supporters are in the business of sugarcoating and making excuses for the all-good, all-knowing, almighty, omnipotent one (queue choir of angels, please).

    Yeah, I’m the one with the crush. Got a mirror, sweetie? You’re so over the moon for that guy you can’t even see straight or think rationally. You work yourself up into a lather any time someone suggests he is less than a rock star. I can’t help but notice that you never answered my question about whether he has any shortcomings. Can’t think of any? Shocking.

  77. Dominique says:

    As far as Andy’s list, ’serious policy flaws’ is a bit of an overstatement (as usual). Her ties to Walmart are hardly a policy. Nor are her corporate ties (which are no different than any other political candidate’s, including Obama’s). That leaves her membership in the DLC (which I’ve already addressed) and NAFTA. Sorry, but I’m not losing sleep over NAFTA. Do I agree with her support of it? No. She casts a lot of votes. I’m not going to agree with every one of them. Do you agree with every vote that Obama has cast?

  78. Nancy Willing says:

    Unless you are deliberately obtuse, you have managed to miss the fact that I am an anti-Clinton gal, Obama is the default. I voted for Edwards in the primary but went with Obama by February.
    The Walmart deal is a big deal policy-wise. Walmart was the first and biggest beneficiary of the Bill Clinton ‘bring Commie = no human rights = China into the world trade status, or hadn’t your dimness noticed? Guess not.

    Nafta follows suit. and by the way, the environment of the US shouldn’t come second to the environment of Mexico, China, India or Columbia etc. We are left with the ignomy of this legacy from the Clinton’s who as a last gasp, shored up the quickly decimated-by-Bush protections only to have opened the horrid abuse of the environment of other nations in the name of the global economy.

    Dimness is no excuse for the horror of the global economy unchecked that the Clinton’s enrich themselves upon.

  79. Nancy Willing says:

    or I should have sa