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March 30th, 2008

How to buy a state contract

First, donate close to $100,000 to a candidate through ‘limit’ donations of $1,200.00 per corporate member, employee, spouse and relative. Do this a year before the election.

Second, donate the same amount again after the primary.

And why, the discerning reader asks, would someone donate this much money in increments of $1,200.00 a pop to a state-wide candidate? Why would numerous out-of-state, non-Delawareans donate 80% of a candidate’s war-chest a year before the election?

Let’s fill in the blanks. The office is Insurance Commissioner. The obvious answer is that the donors are insurance companies hoping, by buying this office, to make up for ground lost under Commissioner Denn. But you’d be wrong!!!

So why would out-of-state people donate almost 80% out of $100,000.00 reported in 2007 to an Insurance Commissioner candidate? Who, outside of insurance companies, would benefit from buying a State office (or, more specifically, buying an elected official)?

Why, that would be Regulatory Insurance Services, Inc. (RIS); a family-friendly corporation that has made millions from auditing Delaware insurance companies for the Department of Insurance. The Insurance Commissioner awards this contract, and what better way to ‘help’ your chances than by paying for an elected official. The well-funded Insurance Commissioner candidate is none other than Gene Reed, Jr. Mr. Reed’s much touted campaign fund is a direct result of the friends and families and related corporations of Regulatory Insurance Services, Inc. in pursuit of the multi-million dollar contract awarded by the Insurance Commissioner. What’s a couple hundred thousand in campaign donations compared to a contract worth millions?

Sounds to me like a recipe ripe for foam-at-the-mouth profit-mongers more interested in installing a candidate who will serve their interests as opposed to those of the citizens of Delaware. But let’s not rely merely on rhetoric and conspiracy theory-like claims. Could Gene Reed be a Donna Lee Williams-lite; the kind of Insurance Commissioner who doesn’t give a damn about the consumer and who lives to serve the corporate behemoths who so richly line his campaign war chest?

Perhaps not. Perhaps the incredible amount of money spent auditing Delaware companies does not affect us tax-paying Delaware citizens. But then again, if I was an insurance company being hit with these million dollar fees from the State contractor, I’d just add the cost to insurance premiums, and BANG, we tax-payers do foot the bill.

Wow. I say it louder.

Posted by Mike Matthews in First State Filth

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61 Responses to “How to buy a state contract”

  1. Sam Carpini says:

    Who gave Rodger Roy & John Burris $1,000,000
    was year to do services that government already provided? Was it Oberle or Cathcart? We can let this happen again.

  2. Otis says:

    Holy crap! I looked at the finance report link. It looks like all other states except Delaware want this guy elected. There was an error. Two of the $1200 donors listed their addresses as Delaware. I’m pretty sure they don’t live in Delaware. Wonder why they listed a Delaware address?

  3. Nancy Willing says:

    Roger Roy announced a few months ago that he was retiring from TMA.
    That is a entity that should be audited for public scrutiny. It seems like a money-hole.

    Mike, great post. I had heard this about Gene Reed.

  4. FSP says:

    Sam — That contract was for a second-opinion service program that they created for the state, and eventually SAVED the state money. They lost the contract for political reasons even though the program was supported by Denn and Markell, among others.

    Good blogging, Mike. Very nice. I had no idea about this.

  5. anon2 says:

    Vote for John Brady, a former democrat who has integrity. The Insurance Commissioner job is the easiest job in the state for an elected official to profit from and to help insurance industries make millions at our disposal. Reed is nothing but a corporate stooge.

  6. Al Mascitti says:

    Be careful there, Dave. Your comment makes it sound like there’s a difference between Carney and Markell. You don’t want to undo all your hard work trying to create a mythical link between Markell and Minner, do you?

  7. FSP says:

    There is no mythical link between Markell and Minner, other than all of her blue-ribbon task forces that he served on.

    However, he failed to speak out against her even once in 8 years, watched the state debt double, and now he’s running as a change agent, which is about as phony as it gets in my book.

    Carney and Markell are the same in that neither of them lifted a finger to stop the erosion and implosion of the state government over the last decade.

  8. cryo says:

    Reed is no leader. He won’t even speak publicly. He belongs in a cubicle, not in an elected office.

  9. Liz allen says:

    When we did our In Depth Delaware show hosting the candidates for Insurance Commissioner, Gene Reid refused to attend. Why, because he knew for one that candidate Tom Savage of Sussex County was going to call him on his out of state donors.

    Tom Savage among many other candidates running for office this election season, are supporting SB 177 and HR 676, universal single payer health care.

    Carney is holding a “debate” on April 4 at Christiana Hospital? Why would we call this a debate? This isn’t a debate, this proves that Carney is supporting the Administrators of Christiana Care and Astra Zeneca. Carney refused to deliver the 4 independent studies all stating that “single payer universal SB 177 was the only way for Delaware to go”, that Carney hid that report from his fellow legislators.

    Gene Reid will do nothing to end the graft involved in the Insurance Comnissioner office? Tickets, trips sporting events etc, are routinely delivered to the Insurance office to keep the Commissioner and his staff from ever looking at SB 177, which would rid our state of all this graft.

    Support ex Chief of Fireman/Police who will work to end the graft, and bring SB 177 to Delaware saving our State $8M per DAY.

  10. Liz allen says:

    John Brady if he is serious, must give up all his “other jobs”, if he is serious about being a full time insurance commissioner. Nice guy, but his other jobs are full time, so how can he be a full time commissioner. I like John personally, a really nice guy. But, Insurance Commissioner is a full time position, not a part time, fly by.

    Karen Weldin Stewart (a legislative aid to Harris McDowell) is fluent in Insurance ism’s, the woman is committed to keeping the Insurance companies and their desires before the citizens of the State of Delaware and what is best for their interests. She has stated regarding SB 177, (she had checked with the insurance companies in doing her research)…right Karen go to the corporations screwing the public and ask for their approval!

  11. Otis says:

    So Liz says you have to be currently unemployed to be Insurance Commissioner in 2009?

    That makes sense. Not.

  12. KSF says:

    I’m gonna play devil’s advocate for a minute here. While it is easy to look at Gene Reed’s finance report and say “Wow, look at all of this,” you have to remember one thing: He actually has a campaign finance report, because he is acting like an actual candidate. I’m sure if the people donating had more of a choice, money would be sent to other candidates. Tom Savage has no statewide campaign, so who would want to send him the max only to see him campaign like it was Middle School Class Election Day? John Brady, like Liz said, had waaaaay too many other jobs to be taken seriously. Who would send their money to him when his heart isn’t in one place? Karen Stewart? She hasn’t even filed and furthermore, it is easy to point to someone else’s finance report when you don’t even HAVE one! That all being said, I would be curious to see how this plays out in the long run before I condemn Reed to “Donna Lee Williams-lite.” (Although that was a good line lol)

  13. KSF says:

    Otis,

    I don’t think it’s that you have to be unemployed, it’s just that he is committed to way too many other “public service” jobs as well as being a partner in a law firm. He needs to decide what he actually wants to do.

    Peace
    KSF

  14. FSP says:

    Liz/KSF:

    IIRC, The insurance commissioner is barred from having any other employment, so when Brady wins, he’d have to give up his other jobs. You’ll have to resort to a different weak argument against him.

  15. Otis says:

    I don’t think there is a weaker argument than “but he has a job now”. Maybe a different one, but nowhere near as lame.

  16. miscreant says:

    I would think that if anyone was wondering if Brady would be willing to give up his “other jobs” (voluntarily, or otherwise), all one would have to do is ask him. And, as FSP stated, if it’s a requirement to hold office, then there’s your answer. Regardless, based on my dealings with him, he’s more than capable of handling any number of jobs simultaneously. I suppose it’s also possible that his involvement with so many agencies was in preparation for the run for a statewide office. I was hoping he would shoot for something a little higher on the food chain.

  17. Dana Garrett says:

    Great job, Mike. Really a 1st class post.

    Couple questions. You write:

    “Perhaps the incredible amount of money spent auditing Delaware companies does not affect us tax-paying Delaware citizens. But then again, if I was an insurance company being hit with these million dollar fees from the State contractor, I’d just add the cost to insurance premiums, and BANG, we tax-payers do foot the bill.”

    Does the state pay the audit company and then collect a fee from the insurance company for the cost of the audit? Is that what you are saying?

    Assuming you are saying it, wouldn’t it be true, then, that whatever audit company or companies the Insurance Commissioners office hired to do these audits, they insurance companies would still pass the cost of their fees for these audits even if the audit companies never gave a dime to a candidate running for Insurance Commissioner?

  18. Dana Garrett says:

    My post should say:

    “pass the cost of their fees **to consumers** for these audits even if the audit companies never gave a dime to a candidate running for Insurance Commissioner?

  19. Liz allen says:

    John Brady just called me. He has stated that if he becomes Insurance Commissioner he “will not accept any funds from the regulatory groups, and yes Insurance Commissioner will be his full time job.

    It’s Gene Reid who needs to come clean! Yes he has worked in the Insurance Dept for 20 odd years…and he knows the players and they surely know him which is obviously why they placed their bets (bucks) on him.

    Its true Karen Weldin has not filed, and I don’t think many will take her seriously.

    I believe John Brady is an upstanding guy, an honest man, and he will refuse the gifting that has gone on in that office…will Reid? Will Reid continue the grafting gifting, and will he return all that money to his insurance company benefactors? If not, we shouldn’t waste our time on him. That leaves Brady and Savage in my book. Savage has filed and is a very serious candidate, a truly honest man who has the support of all those statewide who want SB 177 single payer universal health care passed. I guess the race will come down to who wants to keep the for profits and who wants them out of our lives.

  20. anon2 says:

    Karen is an aide to Harris McDowell. That’s reason enough for me to vote for anyone else.

  21. anon says:

    That Brady saw the liz allen post here and called her the same day it ran makes me think he pulled the research together for this post.

  22. FSP says:

    “That Brady saw the liz allen post here and called her the same day it ran makes me think he pulled the research together for this post.”

    Yeah. That makes perfect sense.

    Wait. No it doesn’t. It doesn’t make any sense at all.

  23. Nancy Willing says:

    I heard that Carper is backing Gene Reed. He stated this 6 months ago. No wonder none of the other DEMs who want to run have a campaign coffer filled with cash. Get the drift?

    If Reed is the DEM candidate, I am voting for Brady.

  24. Liz allen says:

    fsp: I happen to like John Brady very much, and have said so! I am not a democrat any longer, I am an Independent Party Member…which means I am free to pick any of the candidates…my gig is good citizen good government issues, I could care less which party brings them out.

    And John didnt call me, Re; my post. He wanted me to know his side of the issue and I posted it…whats up with that?

  25. Nancy Willing says:

    When we did our In Depth Delaware show hosting the candidates for Insurance Commissioner, Gene Reid refused to attend. Why, because he knew for one that candidate Tom Savage of Sussex County was going to call him on his out of state donors.
    *
    this sure looks like it was Savage who put the earwig in Mike’s ear for the post.

    BTW Liz, I went to the EschaCon this weekend in Philly where everyone in the room was for Single Payer but no one thought that it was politically viable this year.
    HRC was seen as the best for healthcare because of her mandated compliance that would make sure that youthful citizens would pay in.

  26. FSP says:

    That’s what I’m saying Liz. Unlike anon’s suggestion, there’s absolutely no correlation between your communications with John and whoever gave Mike this post.

  27. Dana Garrett says:

    I also have heard many good things about John Brady and it might be he is the better candidate.

    What concerns me is the loyalty test that has been imposed on would-be Repub candidates in DE. The one which says a Repub elected official cannot be “nice” to the Democrats, esp. REALLY supporting ANY of their proposed legislative bills.

    Thanks to House Speaker Spence, we know about the loyalty test and the punishment that ensues if someone fails to pass it:

    http://delawarewatch.blogspot......terry.html

    It’s this loyalty test that probably accounts for GOP members of the legislature breaking EXPLICIT promises to FULLY support Democratic initiatives on open government

    http://delawarewatch.blogspot......omise.html

    as well as stealing the legislation of Dem legislators and creating the pretense that their bills (i.e., thefts from Dems) were filed first:

    http://delawarewatch.blogspot......n-for.html

    Therefore, the real test for John Brady is: will he be a real public servant who looks out for the best interests of the public first or is he a loyal Repub.

    Here is how the test will manifest itself this year: will he oppose the deceptive and harmful “skinny” health insurance schemes proposed by Rep. Dan Short and the House Repubs that will cover virtually nothing of what people use for health insurance for while giving them the illusion of good coverage. It will end up causing many more Delawareans filing for bankruptcy, but will be a financial boon to health insurance companies and to insurance salespersons like Rep. Dan Short.

    http://delawarewatch.blogspot......ealth.html

    Will John Brady advocate that Delawareans DESERVE good health coverage or will he become a spokesperson for the GOP’s election year empty proposal of taking on the problem of 101,000 Delawareans w/o coverage?

  28. Liz allen says:

    FSP: I didnt even know this post was up, until I heard Jenson state on his show this afternoon. I got the call from John later as he was driving, it was hard to hear him. I immediately posted what he said and which I believe he stands by.

    Why are you republicans so fearful when someone from another party speaks nicely about one of your candidates?

    and for Nancy: I understand that you support KWS, but when she was on the show, she admitted she went to the “insurance companies” for rebuttal. She didnt even know that the fastest growing doctors organization in the country PNHP.ORG stands for single payer. She speaks insuranceesz, she has not and is not informed on the issue of singlepayer. In fact, Sen. Harris McDowell who sponsors SB 177, gave here the “charge” of looking into it. She didn’t know where to look! Asking the Fox the directions to the hen house door, is not in my opinion “looking into the issue”?

  29. Liz allen says:

    Dana: there are now more than 105,000 without health insurance. And the State is kicking more and more people out of medicaid to make up for their $126 million shortfall. Instead of looking at the health care program that covers everyone including, mental, dental, vision, nursing home etc. lowers home owners and car insurance and SAVES the State $8million a DAy in 2008 and $10 million a day in 2009, it appears that some democrats and some republicans will continue to pay in the Sicko insurance company pied piper.

  30. FSP says:

    Liz — You are completely misunderstanding what is going on here. Suffice it to say that it’s the opposite of what you think. You’re fine.

  31. jason330 says:

    Karen is an aide to Harris McDowell. That’s reason enough for me to vote for anyone else.

    If true I want none of that. Source?

    I never got KWS anyway. She strikes me as a kind of Democratic Protack. A Candidate in search of an office. One day National Committee Woman, the next Insurance Com.

  32. Nancy Willing says:

    I know Karen having worked with her as board directors for PSA. She has been articulate on the issues that we discussed.

    And yes, ooooooooooooooohhhhh, Jason, she works for Harris McDowell.
    For a DEM who is trying so very hard to ignore how f*cked up his party is by pretending that there are only a few lousy ones, try accepting that there are only a few decent ones,
    Kowalko being the best of ‘em.

  33. jason330 says:

    For a DEM who is trying so very hard to ignore how f*cked up his party is by pretending that there are only a few lousy ones, try accepting that there are only a few decent ones.

    I go easy on Democrats?….oy-vey.

    Anyway - I knew she gave me the willies for some reason, now I know why.

  34. Liz allen says:

    Nancy you say that “everyone in the room supported single payer”, but it was “politically” decided it wouldnt pass? Do you all understand the key is that “everyone in the room” support it.

    Its like 90% of our citizens support wind, but we can’t have it because it’s not “politically correct”!

    It is politically time to do the right thing on health care. If there are those who don’t support SB 177, why don’t you bring your evidence forward that it won’t work, can’t work, and shouldn’t be voted on. This legislation has been through more committees, independent studies, than the majority of legislation ever put forth.

    It’s perhaps politically incorrect for the insurance companies, big pharma corporations, but is politically correct for the citizens to fight the electeds to put the issue front and center. If you want some insurance company think tank to decide your health care…keep the sick system. If you want to honor every man, woman and child in our state with sensible, effective, affordable health care for everyone, then get on board.

    Currently, there is Tom Savage candidate for Insurance Commissioner, Ted Blunt, candidate for Lt. Gov. Robert Bovel candidate for Mayor city of Wilmington, Robert Brown candidate for State Rep. and some others not yet committed…ALL supporting single payer.

    We have the AFL CIO, NAACP, APRI, Independent Party of Del., Green Party, Fire/Police, Disabled Community, nurses, doctors, psychologists, etc…supporting single payer. Tell me again, why the citizens should not have this legislation come forward, hold hearings, and take a vote.

  35. Nancy Willing says:

    I go easy on Democrats?….oy-vey.
    *
    you have a hard on for Denn.

  36. Liz allen says:

    oh and I forgot…we have John Kowalko, Helene Keeley, Hazel Plant, Margaret Rose Henry, Dennis Williams, and I forget the other sitting legislators who are co-sponsoring.

    and we have a Congressional candidate, Karen Hartley-Nagle who supports HR676 and SB 177.
    I believe we are in good company. Let the opposition tell us “why they won’t support it” and you will find “they have never read it” never took the time to ask questions, instead went to the think tanks or created something out of their heads, they are selling the voters, and none of their plans are being scrutinized. Why?

  37. Nancy Willing says:

    I go easy on Democrats?….oy-vey.
    *
    You seem to have a hard on for Denn. I find it abhorent that you would reject someone on the basis of their working for a sitting senator. What next?

  38. Nancy Willing says:

    Nancy you say that “everyone in the room supported single payer”, but it was “politically” decided it wouldnt pass? Do you all understand the key is that “everyone in the room” support it.
    *
    Liz, the discussion was not that it was ‘decided’ or not PC to not go as far as single payer but that no presidential candidate was touching it and that was too bad. This was a liberal blogger conference in Philly with people from all over the country. That is why they were all familiar with and in support of single payer.

    The problem is with the insurance companies, their lobby and the jobs dependent on that industry. It was discussed that all of those people would need to be re-trained.

    Delaware should pick it up because of the economic benefits it offers. That seems to be the over-riding mantra that works these days.

  39. jason330 says:

    You have your litmus tests and I have mine.

    McDowell is the most loathsome sitting senator. At least Thurman Adams represents the gap toothed pumpkin-chunking retards in his district. McDowell has no excuse.

  40. Liz allen says:

    sb177 has provisions for the retraining, re educating anyone outplaced by the move. Every issue that those who “don’t know what is in the bill has been covered”. I wonder how many of those bloggers ever looked at HR 676 or those bloggers in Del who attended have actually read and understood SB 177. In fact, yesterday the fastest growing doctors group in the nation, sent out a nationwide press release supporting single payer universal health care. I sent a copy to Karen Stewart and will send one to you or anyone else who would to receive. We are not whisteling dixie here in a bubble….we have nationwide, nurses, doctors, psychologists etc, health care professionals, all supporting it. Studies show that 70% of the american citizens support it.

    Of course you are not hearing it in the presidential race…although Hillary will do it incrementally…Edwards had the best plan which is why he is holding out support for Clinton or Obama. Obama’s plan happens to be the worst, but not as bad as “no plan” Mcinsane.

    Its about the econony! These corporations are not going to stay in the US…when they can go anywhere else in the world and enjoy the benefits of universal health care. The savings from not having to put out billions to for profit health care, those monies wouold be available to workers in terms of a raise. Think about, why would Richard Nixon give us this sick system? Hilary was working on single payer back in the 90’s and see how they beat her up.

    Thats why it will happen in the States…thats what happened in Canada. One province did it, the surrounding ones saw the advantages and now the country is single payer universal. There is no health insurance company now that covers MENTAL, Dental, vision, prescriptions, long term care, unless you pay thousands a month for it.

    Markells Plan is a Mass plan keeping the for profit in….and its costing the State of Mass eve more money….Carneys plan might as well have been written by the insurance companies.

    Why do you think americans living on the border with Canada, go to Canada to get their medicines? They are cheaper, the for profit is gone! We don’t need these middle men taking our money to administer our funds. Its like having the Fed. Reserve taking our tax dollars and then giving it back to us at a huge interest!

    Why is the US the ONLY country in the industrialized world that has a “for profit” health care system. Everyone says well, we are developing all these new techologies…thats false too. The MRI, and other hi tech equipment is being created in countries with single payer insurance.

  41. Nancy Willing says:

    sb177 has provisions for the retraining, re educating anyone outplaced by the move. Every issue that those who “don’t know what is in the bill has been covered”.
    *
    sb177 is a Delaware State Senate bill, Liz. Ya think that bloggers from around the country are paying attention to DE? I am a Delaware blogger and I just finished telling you that I support Single Payer for Delaware, sheeeeeeeeeeeeeeesh you sure think in circles sometimes.

    And it was great to see the national press on the survey of doctors showing full support of it. The insurance lobby is powerful and won’t be easy to pry back the profits they enjoy AT our expense (pocketbook and healthwise)

  42. Nancy Willing says:

    McDowell is the most loathsome sitting senator. At least Thurman Adams represents the gap toothed pumpkin-chunking retards in his district. McDowell has no excuse.
    *
    heh, you make a good funny. But it should be said that McDowell’s carrying some pretty foul water is not an act in isolation. He is doing this probably for getting support for his more gentle, socialistic efforts with SEED, SEU etc. I hear that the closed door horse trading sessions involve this kind of trade off of if you do this for us we’ll do that for you.

    Opening up the money committees is so important in getting out in front of this kind of shit.

    I won’t hold it against you, Jason, that you want to single out McDowell. And I’d bet that he is pretty sorry that he is in the middle of this!

  43. Liz allen says:

    I think in circles! Nancy, that is the first time I ever heard you say you “supported it”. great to have you on board.

  44. Nancy Willing says:

    Delaware should pick it up because of the economic benefits it offers. That seems to be the over-riding mantra that works these days
    *
    Wasn’t this clear enough for you?
    I have supported Single Payer for years. What might have confused you, Liz, was that I maintained that the mechanism for FUNDING single payer that Peterson put forth was documented by Floyd McDowell’s own expert. I couldn’t figure out why you and he were so adamant that everyone do it your way when the highway was just as valid a pathway to achieve this.
    I see that you have calmed down and gotten yourself together as far as welcoming support that comes your way instead of spitting at it.

  45. Liz allen says:

    Nancy: thanks for choosing your words so cleverly. Karen Peterson did not support SB 177, stating that “no corporation should pay a dime into it…in fact she has been one of the worst violators of the truth on this issue”. Too bad you and some fell for that shortsighted, uninformed understanding of SB 177.

    You still don’t understand the bill, but glad you have decided since the Doctors have spoken that perhaps we were right and Peterson dead wrong.

  46. Nancy Willing says:

    Liz, there is no talking to you. Have fun chasing your tail.
    My understanding of Peterson’s position doesn’t jive with what you just said. I wrote to Floyd’s own expert about her funding mechanism and the reply was that her position was just as valid as Floyd’s. I don’t know how you guys can continue to wiggle around that fact.
    ~*~
    I just read what you printed out on the Philly news story comments section about Mat Marshall.

    You talk about Mike Castle saying that he “stated today, “that we need to nuke power”.

    WTF?

    Liz, I bet you that he didn’t say any such thing. He may well have said that we need nuke power though. Ya think? And before you start on how I must support muke power: I DO NOT!

  47. Liz allen says:

    Nancy: please do post your letter to Floyds expert and his response. Nancy you have a serious problem. did you listen to Castle’s remarks…for gods sakes…even Frieda heard it and spoke about it…get real with yourself…you don’t know everything damn thing that goes on..but you love to pile on. No one in the single payer movement or any of the experts in the field agreed with Karen Petersons take…in fact, we have all the letters as evidence when she brings her lame idea up again.

  48. Otis says:

    Has anyone ever had the idea that maybe the core issue is the price charged by health care providers? There was recently a story in the NJ about a man who treated his own dislocated shoulder because he didn’t want to spend $5,000.00 at the hospital?

    Maybe insurance companies do try to make a big profit. But $25 aspirins at the hospital?

  49. Liz allen says:

    Otis: single payer would correct these outrageous charges! Hospitals and other treatment facilities are spending our tax dollars on “luxury items” that have nothing to do with health care. There are no standards to force them to stop this practice. We need to have regulations that prevent them from “overcharging on aspirin and every other thing. Here’s an example. The anthesiologist charges for his services, along with an Assistant and a Licenced Nurse…they are not giving the medication, they are simply standing there while the anthesiologist delivers it…why because there are no standards for billing. Its profits over people, its brokers over doctors, its big pharma over sensible pricing for their product. Its driving our health care system to disaster, and taking the economy with it.

  50. Otis says:

    Liz, I’m being very honest when I say you know very little about how health insurers interact with the health care providers. Most effort spent in a health insurance company is reviewing medical bills submitted by insureds for unnecessary treatment, duplicate procedures, and especially the famous $25 aspirin. To put this type of claims review into the hands of a government department would be like taking your life savings to a casino because you think you have a “system”. It would be over fast, and it would be ugly, and it would be worse than we have now. I’m not disagreeing that we need change; I’m just saying there’s no point in making it worse for the sake of change.

  51. Nancy Willing says:

    Nancy: please do post your letter to Floyds expert and his response.
    *
    Liz, I sent you that letter two years ago and I sent it to you recently. Post it yourself.

  52. Liz allen says:

    Nancy: the letter you talk about is your letter. I don’t have your letter, I have the responses to your letters, which absolutely state, “that Karen Peterson’s take on single payer health care and keeping insurance companies out of the mix, would never pass the Erisa Act…you have been bloviating about this for months. You sent the nastiest letters to Dr. McDowell, and of course you know nothing about the issue, never have, never will…but do continue to bloviate. When you post those “letters”, we will post the answers….by the leading health care professionals in the nation…go ahead.

  53. Liz allen says:

    Otis: other than your opinion, do you have any real facts to back it up?

  54. Joe Cass says:

    Maybe I’ve only got enough brains to carry in my back pocket but one thing is certain.Noone is gonna measure up to Matt friggin’ Denn’s acclomplishments-probably do more harm than good-and he goes off to sit in the do-nothing Lt.Gov. chair with my F ing vote!

  55. Paul says:

    “And before you start on how I must support muke power: I DO NOT!”

    MUKE ??????????????

    Is it Green?

  56. Nancy Willing says:

    Liz you know better than this crap. I am not going into it with you again.
    And please stop sending me emails as I requeste of you and Floyd months ago.

  57. Liz allen says:

    Nancy: you are going to crash and burn on this one girl. I encourage you personally to take a look at the “inside Delaware” who heavily funded Reid. Give me a break. Post the damn letter, tell us the expert that agrees with your “non position”. The fact is you are so out of the loop on this issue, so filled with distortions, you can’t see the forest for the trees. WE will present our facts at a legislative hearing.

    You supported Karen Petersons take, “corporations should not have to pay into health care”. That is the issue! I am not afraid of that issue….post the letter. The man she claimes agreed with her has been dead for several years. no health care expert in the country would substantiate that comment, its against federal law.
    Now Nancy go ask Senator Peterson, “why did you deliver campaign contributions to Mr. Reed”, a 22year insider. Then ask yourself, “who are these other out of staters”, and why do they care about an Insurance Commissioner candidate in the State of Delaware? You know the Delaware Way…this is it, this is exactly how it works. Whether health care or wind power…. there are adversaries working behind the scenes “against” the citizens, on these two issues.

  58. Nancy Willing says:

    No Liz, I did not take a position either way on how to fund single payer.

    What I wondered was where each side was coming from. So I asked. And got an answer that your side didn’t like. Boo Hoo Hoo.

    I do assume that when I hear some pretty smart liberals say that there will have to be baby steps to reach this very desirable goal, I consider that they might be right. I don’t stomp my feet and take cheap shots at everyone in the room like you do.

    This is the letter which I resent to you in Jan. 2008.
    ~~~~~~~~
    This email was sent to me on June 23rd, 2006 and I sent it along to Liz, Floyd and Karen at the time.

    Dear Nancy,

    Thanks for your note. Actually, you are both right.

    It is a historical accident that US health insurance is tied to
    employment, and ultimately, the link should be eliminated, immediately
    in the case of benefits administration (we should have a single payer
    with one set of comprehensive benefits for all), and over time in terms

    of financing.

    The reason a transition period is needed is for financing is that
    private employers currently contribute about 20 percent of total health

    spending. Not as much as most people think (most people think it
    exceeds 50 percent), but not trivial either. To eliminate the employer

    role in financing altogether in one swoop would be to give a massive
    windfall to business, which is unfair, given that they deduct those
    costs from employees’ wages (as in contract negotiations, where workers

    trade raises to maintain their health benefits, etc.). (Business just
    received, on a much lesser scale, a windfall from Medicare Part D, for
    example).

    So, for a transition period, of, say, 15-20 years, we propose that the
    20 percent of health spending employers currently pay be collected in
    the form of a payroll tax of about 7 percent. It would be the same for

    all businesses and the self-employed, so it would be more equitable
    than current arrangements which mean that some employers can buy
    coverage for much lower premiums than others (depending on the size,
    age, sex, health, etc of their workforce) while some can’t find
    coverage at any price (pre-exisiting conditions, etc.)

    The remaining 80 percent of current spending would come from taxes (60
    percent, same as present) and a 2 percent income tax (to replace what
    patients pay out-of-pocket).

    Although spending would stay the same, the financing would be more
    fair, and with the massive administrative savings possible, all
    residents of DE would have excellent, lifelong, secure coverage, unlike

    today. And gradually you could replace the payroll tax with sales
    taxes (as in Scandinavia) or income taxes (as in Canada). But to do
    some all at once would be more difficult than what we propose.

    Finally, keep in mind that businesses currently providing good coverage

    pay MORE than 7 percent, so they will still be pleased with the
    savings, and also they will save in their HR departments too.

    I am out of town next week, if you have further questions, please write

    in August.

    Ida

    Ida Hellander, MD
    Executive Director
    Physicians for a National Health Program
    www.pnhp.org
    pnhp@aol.com
    29 E Madison, Suite 602
    Chicago, IL 60602
    (312)-782-6006
    fax (312) 782-6007

  59. Liz allen says:

    Nancy: Are you getting it now! Because corporations agreed to pay in and have done so for years…they can’t get out now…its called Erisa Act.

    Thanks for clearing up something you have been going on and on for at least 4 years…No where does it say that ‘CORPORATIONS CAN GET OUT OF IT…AS Karen Peterson has told people they can. She was wrong…dead wrong…and has tainted many minds. FYI: Ida from PNHP is not the writer of the book that Peterson uses over and over again for her lame answers. That guy died years ago. So your claim that “you wrote to Floyds expert” is again Bogus. Thats why we are waiting for the hearings…to show all the duplicity and all the crap that has been coming out of Petersons mouth on this issue.

    There is no single payer bill federal or state where “corporations do not continue to pay something”, single payer just makes it easier and cheaper, because the accounting of the funds would be done by one administrator who is not an insurance company who then takes at least 14% off the top to administer the fund. Corporations wont have to hire people to sit in an office and go through 100 different insurance companies forms(all of which are different) to get a bill paid. Its unnecessary paperwork stealing 45 cents out of every health care dollar.

    Now you want to say again, “how long have you been supporting single payer”. We have the vicious ugly emails you and Gemma Buckley and June Eisley sent (at the behest of Peterson) who gave out that false information, and none of you ever read the bill or understood it. Thanks for clearing it up

    The last part of her letter is absolutely correct and is incorporated into SB 177. Now are you clear?

  60. Nancy Willing says:

    for her lame answers. That guy died years ago. So your claim that “you wrote to Floyds expert” is again Bogus.
    *’
    Fuck off Liz. I said it was Floyd’s expert because that was the source he cited when he sent his stuff around the internet at the time AS HIS EXPERT.
    If you need me to dig up that referencial I guess I will have to, QUEENIE.

  61. Liz allen says:

    Nancy: try to clear your brain of its malfunctions. Karen Peterson has stated again and again.. her position came from a “sentence” in a book that Dr. McDowell gave her”….that part is true…but she didnt go further. The expert stated that “if IF insurance companies had not opted in so many years ago, then the government would not have to keep them in”, but that is no longer true….the person you wrote to is not Dr. McDowells expert….he died….the person you wrote to is someone at the PNHP offices….that the largest group of doctors in the country who support single payer.

    You have your facts backwards as usual. When you are corrected, you say you supported it all along. It is obvious and apparent that you are dealing in desperation, while you delivered emails to Dr. McDowell, trashing the man. You are not an expert, you have not studied this issue for decades…as usual you get one piece of information and then transform it into your own liking…piss off Nancy you are simply not to be trusted, as I learned the hard way.

    and as far as your “liberals”, again a bunch of no nothings who have never studied the issue or even read the damn bill.

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